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stlstdg

(34 posts)
27. This is a dance...
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 03:24 AM
Apr 2021

He has to play to the demographics of his state. He's touting to his state the power
that he has, and cannot be seen as walking in lock step with Democrats.

I've read a half dozen different articles and heard about a half dozen interviews of his, where
he's said one thing and then another. I have a feeling that this might be part of the long game;
I remember Joe Biden's statement during his press conference that successfully legislating is as
much about timing as anything else.

Joe Manchin didn't get re-elected again and again in a crimson red state by being stupid.

I don't think anyone seriously thinks he's going to vote against the infrastructure bill when
the COVID relief bill is wildly popular in his own state. West Virginia's infrastructure is,
if anything, in more dire need of rehabilitation than is any other states'. I read not too
long ago that he was critical of Republicans' rigidity on not using taxes to pay for the
infrastructure bill.

The eventual passage is HR1 is also in his career interest, and in the interest of any of his
family members who might be mulling a future in politics--and he knows that very well.

Not killing the filibuster is not the same as reforming it, as he has said he's open to.

Someone smarter than me said that the vast majority of strategizing and negotiating (not
necessarily with Republicans but within the caucus) takes place behind closed doors, and
not on cable news.

I'm not particularly worried right now.

It changed him so much that he insists on not changing the status quo of partisan gridlock Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #1
He is the worst Democrat we have ColinC Apr 2021 #19
It changed him alright; now he wants to be a Republican. Magoo48 Apr 2021 #41
THAT! joetheman Apr 2021 #69
where was manchin four years ago? That he fails to recognize that the majority of the JohnSJ Apr 2021 #2
Or indeed a dozen (!) years ago. CBHagman Apr 2021 #23
He's adopting a new peace policy, soon to be embraced by all countries, Give in to the Terrorists! TheBlackAdder Apr 2021 #48
I Agree...Fuck that Guy SamsDrink Apr 2021 #3
+1 n/t area51 Apr 2021 #54
Maybe he Rebl2 Apr 2021 #57
Appeasement is not the way to go. dflprincess Apr 2021 #4
Appeasement... GB_RN Apr 2021 #47
We don't want to go to war with each other, Senator. This treason comes from one side. Midnight Writer Apr 2021 #5
+1 hibbing Apr 2021 #20
Changed what exactly? vercetti2021 Apr 2021 #6
History? Someone please teach him about the Civil War... Justice matters. Apr 2021 #7
They failed to take the Capitol but it's not like they didn't try... Justice matters. Apr 2021 #11
It changed him and he wants to raise a white flag. Changed him from what, exactly? Gaugamela Apr 2021 #8
I don't think he's very smart. mountain grammy Apr 2021 #9
+1 CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #62
Bipartisanship... IngridsLittleAngel Apr 2021 #10
"The attack on Fort Sumpter changed me. We need to listen to the Confederacy and accept slavery." ZonkerHarris Apr 2021 #12
THIS!!!! Coventina Apr 2021 #61
THIS!!!x10 CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #63
+1 mahina Apr 2021 #72
I guess the Bowling Green Massacre was a bridge too far for Mr. Manchin AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #13
Soooo on Jan 6th someone hit him on the head with their QAnon wand and now he's a DINO? TigressDem Apr 2021 #14
Manchin is getting what he wants; People hanging on his every word. speak easy Apr 2021 #15
Exactly what did the Dems do to cause Jan 6th? Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #16
pass the pepto TomDaisy Apr 2021 #17
Nice story, bro. JudyM Apr 2021 #18
... FailureToCommunicate Apr 2021 #50
"You can't have this many people split to where they want to go to war with each other," spudspud Apr 2021 #21
Miss South Carolina wants World Peace (TM) TomDaisy Apr 2021 #28
trotting out the false equivalency azureblue Apr 2021 #53
Wow Joe that's so fascinating Blue Owl Apr 2021 #22
Most appropriate response! agincourt Apr 2021 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Apr 2021 #24
changed him into a full-fledged refuKKKchicken, 'twould seem... bringthePaine Apr 2021 #25
Negotiate with insurrectionists._NOT pbmus Apr 2021 #26
This is a dance... stlstdg Apr 2021 #27
"the vast majority of strategizing and negotiating takes place behind closed doors" BumRushDaShow Apr 2021 #32
so frustrated with this guy, but your comments make sense. electric_blue68 Apr 2021 #34
The man's been there too long to be that naive. Or is he gaslighting us? brush Apr 2021 #29
Shut up, Joe! Manifest Desmond Apr 2021 #30
If he demands GOP participation and they refuse, will he relent or carry their water? (Nt) FreepFryer Apr 2021 #31
What history books was he reading? Joinfortmill Apr 2021 #33
LOL Skittles Apr 2021 #35
Would be interesting to hear what Manchin's GOP counterpart, Deminpenn Apr 2021 #36
It might be me padah513 Apr 2021 #37
The remark quoted in the OP sounds like something someone considering a run for President BumRushDaShow Apr 2021 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Harker Apr 2021 #39
The violent attack on the Capitol and the civil war fantasies Harker Apr 2021 #40
I call bullshit. blueinredohio Apr 2021 #42
What Manchin is doing is so purely political it reeks. He's after voters from both parties. Vinca Apr 2021 #43
The dumbest thing I have ever heard from his mouth. If he wants to NCjack Apr 2021 #44
Democrats wanted to go to war??? I missed something. bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #45
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #46
This man's perspective is all twisted. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #49
Schumer needs a bargain with Manchin. Lonestarblue Apr 2021 #51
then he should put his butt azureblue Apr 2021 #52
Yes, let's try to get along with the fascists Mysterian Apr 2021 #55
"He won't go it alone with Democrats until more serious negotiations get underway with Republicans" turbinetree Apr 2021 #56
Joe Manchin Is Today's Neville Chamberlain GB_RN Apr 2021 #58
The interview excerpt came across as, "Only I, the honorable Joe Manchin, Dauphin of Politicub Apr 2021 #59
"Dec 7, 1941 changed me. We have to cooperate with Imperial Japan." CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #60
Oh, bullshit! If you changed, Manchin, then you wouldn't create gridlock! sakabatou Apr 2021 #64
While Manchin Makes Some Good Points DallasNE Apr 2021 #65
He learned exactly the wrong lesson. Completely backwards. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #66
That's about the stupidest effing excuse for collaborating with fascist racist Roisin Ni Fiachra Apr 2021 #68
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #70
So people who will never compromise I spire you to compromise JCMach1 Apr 2021 #71
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