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Fiendish Thingy

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33. Well, if Putin remains in power, we will definitely find out.

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Ukrainian President Zelensky says NATO's Article 5 "has never been as weak as it is now" [View all] bluewater Mar 2022 OP

Would NATO jets be able to stop incoming missiles? Chainfire Mar 2022 #1

Cruise missiles, yes William Seger Mar 2022 #36

Are Cruise missiles the bulk of what it destroying Ukrainian cities? Chainfire Mar 2022 #65

Don't know William Seger Mar 2022 #71

It sucks but Ukraine isn't in NATO. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2022 #2

If NATO won't defend genocide in a huge country like Ukraine, why would they defend Latvia? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #5

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Mar 2022 #8

Because they're part of the alliance. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2022 #11

The FEAR of Putin using nukes will exist regardless of Article Five Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #22

It's a legitimate concern. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2022 #48

Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #63

The US did not commit genocide in Iraq. Stop whataboutism. mathematic Mar 2022 #77

Please get a grip. Ukraine is not a NATO member. I'm sorry too but that's the way it is. PSPS Mar 2022 #12

NATO membership won't change the FEAR of Putin using nukes. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #24

I disagree. Putin will fear that a Baltic invasion will unleash NATO and its "nukes." PSPS Mar 2022 #28

Well, if Putin remains in power, we will definitely find out. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #33

Yes, my friend. We're all just along for the ride to our collective future (if any!) PSPS Mar 2022 #35

There are lots of countries with genocide currently NickB79 Mar 2022 #47

None of those is in NATO's backyard. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #60

Because Latvia IS a member of NATO James48 Mar 2022 #70

He's right, you know. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #3

What does Ukraine have to do with Article V? Gore1FL Mar 2022 #14

The Baltics will be seized after Russia catches its breath following the Ukraine genocide. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #25

So in 2070? Gore1FL Mar 2022 #52

NATO is acting weak, while Putin acts strong. So far, Putin has called NATO's bluff. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #64

How is NATO acting weak(ly)? Gore1FL Mar 2022 #68

And I'll start dating Angelina Jolie NickB79 Mar 2022 #57

Putin only needs to remain in power to "succeed" in Ukraine, that's it. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #59

I agree. drray23 Mar 2022 #32

Does Zelensky has that bad advisers? TomWilm Mar 2022 #4

And this is why Putin will seize the Baltic states with ease, if he gets away with Ukraine. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #6

Nonsense PSPS Mar 2022 #9

I'm happy to be wrong about this, but Marie Yavanovich and Zelenskyy agree. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #13

Well, we all have our opinions, but I don't want to trigger a nuclear response until we have to. PSPS Mar 2022 #16

It's pretty clear he didn't get away with Ukraine. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #10

Putin "gets away" with Ukraine if he continues to sow destruction, and remains in power. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #15

Putin failed in Ukraine. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #19

Well, at least that buys us a few years to live Polybius Mar 2022 #84

I'm Sure Putin Has Thrown More Than 55% Of His Ground Forces Into Ukraine DallasNE Mar 2022 #34

Atricle 5 was invoked after 9/11. It was never meant to cover invasions of non-member states. PSPS Mar 2022 #18

I agree, this was a misstep on his part. It doesn't serve him well to bash NATO like this. PSPS Mar 2022 #23

Zelenskyy's Audience Is Not NATO & USA DallasNE Mar 2022 #39

Of coourse. But I'm worried about his "addressing" of Congress tomorrow. PSPS Mar 2022 #45

If it was up to him, NATO would be fighting Russia right now Polybius Mar 2022 #85

Article V has only been tested once and it came through. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #7

Someone just posted that Turkey tried to invoke Articke 5 re: Syria and was rebuffed Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #17

NATO doesn't need to use nukes. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #21

Then why aren't they in Ukraine? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #27

Because Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #29

If Russia didn't have nukes, NATO would already be in Ukraine, regardless that they aren't in NATO Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #31

No. NATO should never threaten to use nuclear weapons. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #38

BZZZT WRONG! NATO and the US have indeed stated they would USE NUKES FIRST bluewater Mar 2022 #49

Look up "should" in the dictionary. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #51

" instead of stalking me" You mean replying to your posts and pointing out errors? bluewater Mar 2022 #53

You have failed to point out any errors, though. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #54

HUGE ERROR --- "We haven't gone to war since WWII." bluewater Mar 2022 #55

Per the parameters stated by the person who posted #30 Gore1FL Mar 2022 #58

I was responding to YOUR post. This what you posted: bluewater Mar 2022 #62

Thank for admitting you reply was out of context. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #67

LOL Yep, replying to what someone actually wrote is "out of context"... bluewater Mar 2022 #69

If you'd have looked you'd see that we were making the same point. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #72

Honestly, I don't think you presented a clear point at all. bluewater Mar 2022 #75

The clear point. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #76

Which seems to have little to do with this post you replied to: bluewater Mar 2022 #79

Now you are forgetting what you posted. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #80

So no substantial reply? bluewater Mar 2022 #81

Who said threaten? I just said Putin should be afraid NATO would use nukes. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #61

NATO policy has been to THREATEN to use nukes first actually, even against a conventional attack bluewater Mar 2022 #66

Nukes makes people lazy ... TomWilm Mar 2022 #44

Which is exactly why Ukraine was foolish to give up their nukes Polybius Mar 2022 #86

Read behind the lines ... TomWilm Mar 2022 #20

If NATO is as weak as people on DU seem to think it is, then Trump was right to want to get out. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #26

It has not always come through. former9thward Mar 2022 #30

Two Libyan SU-22's attacked U.S. planes in the gulf of Sidra in the early 1980s. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #37

"We haven't gone to war since WWII." bluewater Mar 2022 #40

When did congress pass the war declarations? Gore1FL Mar 2022 #43

"We haven't gone to war since WWII." LOL bluewater Mar 2022 #46

I didn't. The specific statement in post 30 that mentioned the congress declaration requirement. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #50

In the incident you describe the U.S. did not request NATO assistance. former9thward Mar 2022 #41

I am pretty sure Biden is an inside body. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #42

good analysis bluewater Mar 2022 #74

excellent points bluewater Mar 2022 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Mar 2022 #87

Unless Putin really want to start WWIII I don't think he would attack a NATO country. marie999 Mar 2022 #56

We don't know if article 5 is weak or not. It hasn't been tested. Chainfire Mar 2022 #78

So you are saying the world is outraged. ripcord Mar 2022 #82

Oh how would he know? Polybius Mar 2022 #83

Ok. Someone explain to me why... Blue_playwright Mar 2022 #88

The impossibility of "closing the airspace" is just a myth NATO tell us TomWilm Mar 2022 #89

Thank you, that helps Blue_playwright Mar 2022 #90