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hunter

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52. The same people who freak out about tritium...
Wed May 11, 2022, 09:41 AM
May 2022

... regularly fill their own automobiles and boats with gasoline which is a similarly hazardous material and a much greater danger to the natural environment. And somehow they are not protesting the huge amounts of used motor oil that gets spilled, while they willingly breathe carcinogenic tire dust, brake dust, and micro-particles spewed by automobiles in normal operation.

One of the most toxic pollutants in the ocean is mercury (half life of FOREVER!), most of this dumped into the environment by coal fired power plants and the production of metals and concrete.

Just because something is familiar doesn't mean it's not dangerous.

The human race has worked itself into a corner. We are dependent on high density energy sources to sustain us. A purely "renewable energy" economy can't sustain all 8 billion of us. By my rough calculations if we don't quit fossil fuels about 40% of us are going to suffer and die because of global warming. If we simply quit fossil fuels and don't replace them with other high density energy sources, 40% of us are going to suffer and die for lack of food and safe shelter. We must keep our cities habitable.

Nuclear power is the only energy source capable of displacing fossil fuels entirely, which is something we need to do now.

you could buy 10,000 2MW wind turbines for that amount, no additional fuel costs Blues Heron May 2022 #1
Wind turbines actually impact the environment in other ways as you still need metal cstanleytech May 2022 #4
i'm just saying thats an expensive way to turn a turbine Blues Heron May 2022 #5
Maybe I am wrong but wasn't there also an issue with birds being killed by turbines? cstanleytech May 2022 #6
Bird blenders the anti-winders call them Blues Heron May 2022 #9
Far fewer than die crashing into buildings. niyad May 2022 #17
Too many materials also come from China. For solar as well. oldsoftie May 2022 #8
the amount of steel and concrete that go into a nuke plant is a fraction mopinko May 2022 #25
10,000 wind turbines would destroy thousands of square miles and last 20 years. NNadir May 2022 #13
"The steel in them would require millions of tons of coal ... haul them away 20 years" speak easy May 2022 #16
The scientific literature is rich with estimates of the material costs... NNadir May 2022 #19
1.5+ million cars every month. speak easy May 2022 #22
Wasting your time wth NNADIR Miguelito Loveless May 2022 #26
OK. ty. speak easy May 2022 #28
Well, again, there are scientific references on the point, if one looks and if one recognizes scale. NNadir May 2022 #35
ty. I will read through the references carefully. speak easy May 2022 #36
'Capacity' wrt wind power is not the same as 24/7 output like you get from a NPP Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #33
just wanted to see how many windmills you could buy with that kind of money Blues Heron May 2022 #34
There's no excuse for costs like this. We KNOW how to build modern nuclear plants oldsoftie May 2022 #2
Add on the price for maintenance (forever) and different contractors to run.. Tikki May 2022 #3
Don't get me wrong, I fully support nuclear power. Its the only way forward. oldsoftie May 2022 #7
I support high speed rail but not California's project ripcord May 2022 #23
Yep, thats another great example. nt oldsoftie May 2022 #31
Modular reactors are the future, not this thing NickB79 May 2022 #10
True. It also decentralizes the generation of power, making it less vulnerable to malefactors. PSPS May 2022 #12
Every factory having a nuclear reactor? XorXor May 2022 #14
No, reactors built in a factory NickB79 May 2022 #15
Ohh hahaha... I'm dumb. I see now what you're saying XorXor May 2022 #20
How many homes could be fully insulated for the same $30B? TheRickles May 2022 #11
France closed its last coal mine twenty years ago. hunter May 2022 #18
You must have an unconventional definition of failure. TheRickles May 2022 #21
These are all accounting tricks. hunter May 2022 #24
Excellent resource, thanks for the link, but.... TheRickles May 2022 #27
Looking at insulating homes is somewhat short-sighted. GregariousGroundhog May 2022 #30
Look at those other Scandinavian countries again. hunter May 2022 #37
Your argument assumes prices stay the same Miguelito Loveless May 2022 #29
Multiply your personal "solution" by 8 billion people. hunter May 2022 #32
Believe it or not, we agree on some main points here. TheRickles May 2022 #38
The glorious "free market" is going to kill billions of us if we don't quit fossil fuels. hunter May 2022 #40
I was being ironic in talking about the "wisdom" of the free market. TheRickles May 2022 #42
The waste problem is overblown. Compared to fossil fuel waste, the volume is manageable. hunter May 2022 #43
Interesting coincidence that you should mention how used nuclear fuel "just sits there". TheRickles May 2022 #50
The same people who freak out about tritium... hunter May 2022 #52
We don't provide power for 8 billion now Miguelito Loveless May 2022 #44
Are you yourself completely disconnected from the electric grid? hunter May 2022 #45
Yes, Miguelito Loveless May 2022 #51
Obviously you are someone of means with a huge environmental footprint. hunter May 2022 #53
I do not see nuclear as a "competitor" to renewables, nor vice versa. Miguelito Loveless May 2022 #54
Has Nuke Inc figured out what to with the waste? Kid Berwyn May 2022 #39
Hey, at least it's contained. hunter May 2022 #41
You know, there's got to be a better way to boil water. Kid Berwyn May 2022 #46
Natural gas is the fuel that will destroy what's left of the world as we know it. hunter May 2022 #47
I agree with you. We can't keep doing the same old same old. Kid Berwyn May 2022 #48
I oppose all solar development on previously undeveloped land. hunter May 2022 #49
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