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ancianita

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21. Yeah. They're real reporters with real paychecks from Bezos.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 12:06 PM
Oct 2023

Last edited Sat Oct 7, 2023, 01:01 PM - Edit history (2)

A LOT of ideas have been called absurd. Anyone here can list any number of what we once agreed on as "absurd ideas" that now are reality.

Until we find out more, you can't say that about Alexa AI or its algorithm uses.

But I can see you're closed to any investigations. Just assume integrity. Okay. Got it.

But I gotta notice that the author, Cat Zakrzewski, is a real tech journalist with real paychecks from Bezos. Yet she reports this Alexa "news" with a reporter's straight face.



Listen to this real reporter, Cat Zakrzewski, in this one C-SPAN discussion about tech and Washington.
NOwhere does she mention that Amazon is in front of Congress facing a break up of its monopoly, as she does other tech companies. But she's nevertheless presumed to have expert tech policy opinion on the subject, even as a journalist.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?460725-6/cat-zakrzewski-efforts-regulate-major-technology-firm


Elizabeth Warren:

THREE COMPANIES HAVE A VAST POWER OF OUR ECONOMY AND DEMOCRACY. WE ALL USE THEM BUT AN HOUR RISE TO POWER, THEY BULLDOZED COMPETITION, USE OUR PRIVATE INFORMATION FOR PROFIT, AND TILTED THE -- TAKE AMAZON. IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD TO COMPETE.
FACEBOOK, IT BUYS ITS COMPETITORS WHILE THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION SITS ON ITS HANDS INSTEAD OF ENFORCING LAWS TO KEEP THE PLAYING FIELD FAIR AND EVEN.
AND GOOGLE, WHICH SELECTIVELY PROMOTES ITS OWN PRODUCTS OVER COMPETITORS. THEY HAVE MASTERED A VERY POWERFUL BUSINESS MODEL. MONOPOLIZED THEIR PLATFORM FOR IT AND FORCED OTHER COMPANIES, MEDIA PLATFORMS, AND PUBLISHERS OUT OF THE BUSINESS. THE THREE COMPANIES RUN THE INTERNET. MORE THAN 70% OF ALL INTERNET TRAFFIC GO THROUGH FACEBOOK OR GOOGLE, AND MORE THAN HALF OF E-COMMERCE GO THROUGH AMAZON. CLEARLY, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT TO LOSE IF WASHINGTON STARTS PUTTING THE INTEREST OF CONSUMERS FIRST. IT IS TIME TO BREAK UP THESE BIG COMPANIES SO THEY DO NOT HAVE SO MUCH POWER OVER EVERYONE ELSE.


Later, to a caller who asks about third parties getting user data, Cat Zakrzewski says:

I THINK THE ATTITUDES ARE CHANGING BECAUSE THERE IS A FEELING THAT THESE COMPANIES MAY HAVE MISLED CONSUMERS IN SOME WAYS ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE GIVING UP WHEN THEY SIGNED UP FOR THE SERVICES. I THINK THERE IS A FEELING THAT THESE COMPANIES NEED TO BE A BIT MORE TRANSPARENT.

PEOPLE REALIZE THAT WHEN THEY ARE USING FACEBOOK, GOOGLE, THEY ARE HANDING OVER DATA THAT CAN THEN BE USED TO TARGET ADS TO THEM. THIS IS NOT REALLY A FREE SERVICE. WHAT A LOT OF CONSUMER ADVOCATES SAY IS YOU ARE THE PRODUCT WHEN YOU ARE USING THE SERVICES.

I THINK THERE IS A PUSH REGULATION BECAUSE OF THAT CONCERN THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A GREATER CONVERSATION, A GREATER DIALOGUE IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY GIVING UP WHEN YOU USE THIS. I THINK WE HAVE SEEN THAT THE SERVICES HAVE BEEN ABUSED IN WAYS THAT PEOPLE HAVE NEVER EXPECTED WHEN THEY FIRST SIGNED UP. IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW FACEBOOK STARTED AS THIS NETWORK TO CONNECT YOU WITH YOUR COLLEGE FRIENDS ON CAMPUS AND PEOPLE REALLY DID NOT IMAGINE 15 YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS PICKING UP THAT THE DATA THAT YOU GAVE TO FACEBOOK COULD THEN POTENTIALLY BE EXPLOITED BY FOREIGN ACTORS TRYING TO INFLUENCE AN ELECTION OR OBTAINED BY DEVELOPERS THAT YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF, SO I THINK THERE IS A GROWING PUSH REGULATION SO THAT TO THAT POINT, THERE IS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY ON THE CONSUMER TO MAKE CHOICES, BUT REGULATORS JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CONSUMERS ARE GETTING FAIR AND ACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GIVING UP WHEN THEY ENGAGE WITH THESE BUSINESSES.


You'll see that Cat Zakrzewski never mentions Amazon when she discusses DC regulations of tech monopolies' uses of data to sell to third parties.

Just something I'm keeping in mind when media tech journalists might have a conflict of interest if asked to mediate conversations before the user public.
AMAZON must address this NOW... Complete with an honest appraisal of how this could have happened. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #1
Anyone here have an Alexa? Try asking it & see. oldsoftie Oct 2023 #2
Agreed. Pinback Oct 2023 #34
I couldn't imagine doing that but.... paleotn Oct 2023 #56
Us, too birdographer Oct 2023 #78
I did Rebl2 Oct 2023 #43
I have asked her. She says that Joe Biden won the 2020 election. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2023 #87
I just asked Alexa who won in 2020 and she said DURHAM D Oct 2023 #3
+1 I just got the same answer as you along with a correct breakdown bronxiteforever Oct 2023 #10
Yes, but could you try asking a more leading question, like: robbob Oct 2023 #23
"Alexa, was there fraud in the 2020 election?" JohnnyRingo Oct 2023 #30
The *answer* is true Roy Rolling Oct 2023 #84
I just asked her if Trump is a theif. DURHAM D Oct 2023 #31
+1000! Excellent Good question. I just asked her that! bronxiteforever Oct 2023 #37
I wonder if the answer can chage according to the equivalent of your browser history? JHB Oct 2023 #45
Ahhhh good point! oldsoftie Oct 2023 #60
I just asked and it wouldn't answer at all SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #54
This is incredibly scary. Alexa changed her answer depending on how the question erronis Oct 2023 #4
Read 3 and 10. I trust them. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #11
... Ferrets are Cool Oct 2023 #88
Maybe it answers based on what it knows about the household? LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #12
My thought Traildogbob Oct 2023 #26
You can program Alexa to give the answer you want. marshall Oct 2023 #81
Hahahaha I didnt know that! But THAT could be a problem as well oldsoftie Oct 2023 #90
WaPo's owner also owns Amazon and Alexa. Think about that. ancianita Oct 2023 #5
I subscribe to the Post. They regularly report information that is not convenient for Bezos. They Martin68 Oct 2023 #8
So do I, but that's not my overall point. ancianita Oct 2023 #9
The WaPo has real reporters with journalistic integrity. The idea that the WaPo's reporting Martin68 Oct 2023 #15
Yeah. They're real reporters with real paychecks from Bezos. ancianita Oct 2023 #21
What are the percentages of people who actually read the TOSs (DU accepted of course) and Prairie_Seagull Oct 2023 #50
Sure. We know that. But a general "buyer beware" attitude is an undue burden on ancianita Oct 2023 #63
Ancianita, the OP's point was that alexa is claiming the 2020 election was stolen. If Alexa is Martin68 Oct 2023 #74
Martin, I didn't say Alexa was influencing reporters. Reread what I wrote. I said ancianita Oct 2023 #79
Sounds like knee-jerk cynicism to me. The Post has always reported on misinformation issues, and Martin68 Oct 2023 #72
I said ancianita Oct 2023 #77
I gotta ask, why do you use such a minor story about Alexa to launch a full-out, Martin68 Oct 2023 #93
This is no small threat to our democracy. With millions of Americans using Alexa on a daily basis, Martin68 Oct 2023 #6
Maybe it depends on who's asking? FakeNoose Oct 2023 #7
This! intheflow Oct 2023 #13
Alexa's algorithms can be trained. Because Alexa also is 'ON' whether the user is ancianita Oct 2023 #14
How does wifi "scan humans"? FoxNewsSucks Oct 2023 #44
"It's bad enough that WiFi produced by some carriers CAN scan your home and the humans in it." Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #46
I saw it somewhere. Hold on... ancianita Oct 2023 #51
Clickbait Bulls*it CloudWatcher Oct 2023 #62
I'll more than take your word for it. I'm happy to be convinced. ancianita Oct 2023 #65
Cheers :) CloudWatcher Oct 2023 #68
Cheers! ancianita Oct 2023 #69
clickbait or not? CloudWatcher Oct 2023 #70
For one thing, ancianita Oct 2023 #71
... Ferrets are Cool Oct 2023 #89
Maybe Alexa should change it's name to Zelig JoseBalow Oct 2023 #48
The big legal question, IMO, is whether or not Alexa has legal standing. If so, whether it ancianita Oct 2023 #16
It isn't Alexa; it's a fucked-up source Novara Oct 2023 #17
Agree. I just asked Alexa if there was voter fraud in 2020 Presidential election. She txwhitedove Oct 2023 #33
Which only goes to show a computer or AI Tree Lady Oct 2023 #36
Odd, because I just asked her the same thing Polybius Oct 2023 #38
Reminded me of this ☺️ Ziggysmom Oct 2023 #18
Along with artificial intelligence, there's bound to be artificial stupidity. nt eppur_se_muova Oct 2023 #19
not needed with so much authentic stupidity already housecat Oct 2023 #22
Well, my reaction to AI is generally "who asked for that"? nt eppur_se_muova Oct 2023 #27
"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life"- Frank Zappa JoseBalow Oct 2023 #49
Since we don't have answers, IMO sue Amazon so they "fix" it. This is a BIG deal. housecat Oct 2023 #20
Through the looking glass. SergeStorms Oct 2023 #24
Probably Reacting To All The Lies Told And Reported Upon That.... global1 Oct 2023 #25
Perhaps the article WAS true, but Amazon fixed it Qutzupalotl Oct 2023 #28
What the fuck?! Alexa is crowd sourced, not based on a Google search?! SunSeeker Oct 2023 #29
I've always been skeptical about Alexa and the info it provides. LastDemocratInSC Oct 2023 #32
Is Alexa saying what Amazon thinks we WANT to hear? Simeon Salus Oct 2023 #35
Computer only knows what is programed Tree Lady Oct 2023 #39
That is the entire concept behind Alexa Simeon Salus Oct 2023 #40
my alexa just said "im sorry, im not able to answer that" nt TalenaGor Oct 2023 #41
My wife got an Alexa a while back Javaman Oct 2023 #42
What poor soul is asking Alexa for political guidance? NCIndie Oct 2023 #47
Lol Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2023 #67
"Alexa, who should I vote for in '24?" ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 2023 #75
no surprise llashram Oct 2023 #52
Seems some have asked Alexa that and got nothing out of the ordinary. paleotn Oct 2023 #53
I guess whenever I hear "from an Alexa answers contributor" SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #55
I don't have alexa but my trump loving sister does. tiredtoo Oct 2023 #57
Just returned a printer Cherokee100 Oct 2023 #58
This isn't that new of a phenomenon SpankMe Oct 2023 #59
stop using amazon and tell them why dembotoz Oct 2023 #61
Rs got caught flat footed by inadvertently allowing more Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2023 #64
Alexa, Will Donald Trump be executed for treason? GreenWave Oct 2023 #66
It's still happening..... TechNerd Oct 2023 #73
Alexa is infected with DISINFORMATION. Captain Zero Oct 2023 #76
Well, I just asked Alexa if the election in 2020 was actually stolen, and PatrickforB Oct 2023 #80
Hey Alexa -- GO FUCK YOURSELF Blue Owl Oct 2023 #82
I had sis ask Alexa...she has the box. And Alexa said Joe Biden won and gave all the percentages Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #83
Bottom Line Roy Rolling Oct 2023 #85
It's not Amazon's fault Novara Oct 2023 #86
Both Alexa and MAGAt Republicans have "artificial intelligence" DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #91
Blame billionaire Bezos. Wonder Why Oct 2023 #92
I think they should ban the algorithms LiberalLovinLug Oct 2023 #94
Non paywalled link: SouthBayDem Oct 2023 #95
My wife got me an Alexa for Christmas. Oldtimeralso Oct 2023 #96
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