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In reply to the discussion: Asperger's dropped from revised diagnosis manual [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)96. You might've missed these updates.
I hope you're not parsing words here. And, by the way, it isn't character assassination to acknowledge an indictment by the DOJ and status on the FBI's fugitive list.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014148376
Please see post #35 for audio of interviews with Dr. Zahorodny and Dr. Dawson.
Please see post #29 for letter by Dr. Poling.
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2008/03/julie-gerberding-admits-on-cnn-that.html
Please see Dr. Gerberding's interview on CNN here.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/autism-and-what-the-experts-are-saying-part-two-.html
Autism and What the Experts are Saying, Part Two: Dawson, Zahorodny, and Amaral
By Anne Dachel
June 04, 2012 at 5:45 AM
If youre like me, youre sick to death of reporters telling you that all the science shows no link between vaccines and autism. Members of the press dont hesitate to remind the public on a daily basis that only misguided parents believe vaccinations can cause autism. Its usually a one sentence dismissal in a news report--more evidence that no one really wants to look into a controversy that could implicate the government and the medical community in an unprecedented health care scandal.
There are some huge chinks in the armor of the no link claim, however. Im referring to the public acknowledgement by some top medical experts that yes, vaccinations do sometimes cause children to become autistic.
There are more and more independent doctors out there saying there is a link, but Im talking about doctors who are often cited in news stories denying any causal relationship, yet who will also admit that, yes, sometimes vaccines are responsible.
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In April, 2011, Dr. David Amaral, Director of Research in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, UC Davis MIND Institute, was interviewed for PBS by Robert MacNeil.
He was asked if vaccines can cause autism and he said this:
It was the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the National Institutes of Health, who was on CBS News in 2008 calling for such a study. She said,
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Autism and What the Experts are Saying, Part Two: Dawson, Zahorodny, and Amaral
By Anne Dachel
June 04, 2012 at 5:45 AM
If youre like me, youre sick to death of reporters telling you that all the science shows no link between vaccines and autism. Members of the press dont hesitate to remind the public on a daily basis that only misguided parents believe vaccinations can cause autism. Its usually a one sentence dismissal in a news report--more evidence that no one really wants to look into a controversy that could implicate the government and the medical community in an unprecedented health care scandal.
There are some huge chinks in the armor of the no link claim, however. Im referring to the public acknowledgement by some top medical experts that yes, vaccinations do sometimes cause children to become autistic.
There are more and more independent doctors out there saying there is a link, but Im talking about doctors who are often cited in news stories denying any causal relationship, yet who will also admit that, yes, sometimes vaccines are responsible.
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In April, 2011, Dr. David Amaral, Director of Research in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, UC Davis MIND Institute, was interviewed for PBS by Robert MacNeil.
He was asked if vaccines can cause autism and he said this:
I think it's pretty clear that, in general, vaccines are not the culprit. There has been enough epidemiological evidence showing that if you look at children that receive the standard childhood vaccines that, if anything, those children are at slightly less risk of having autism than children that aren't immunized.
And so, you know, I think it probably is a waste of effort at this time to try and understand vaccines as a major culprit for, or a major cause of, autism. It's not to say, however, that there isn't a small subset of children who may be particularly vulnerable to vaccines.
And in their case, having the vaccines, or particular vaccines, particularly in certain kinds of situations -- if the child was ill, if the child had a precondition, like a mitochondrial defect. Vaccinations for those children actually may be the environmental factor that tipped them over the edge of autism. And I think it is incredibly important, still, to try and figure out what, if any, vulnerabilities, in a small subset of children, might make them at risk for having certain vaccinations."
Its shocking to listen to well-credentialed experts deny any link at the same time they also casually talk about the possibility vaccines are a factors in autism. That was never supposed to happen. Dawsons very small minority of individuals," Zahorondnys some small number of children, and Amarals small subset of children might include my child. And how big is small? And where is the proof that the vulnerable group of children is small? There isnt a single study that has looked at the children who regressed into autism following routine vaccinations.
And so, you know, I think it probably is a waste of effort at this time to try and understand vaccines as a major culprit for, or a major cause of, autism. It's not to say, however, that there isn't a small subset of children who may be particularly vulnerable to vaccines.
And in their case, having the vaccines, or particular vaccines, particularly in certain kinds of situations -- if the child was ill, if the child had a precondition, like a mitochondrial defect. Vaccinations for those children actually may be the environmental factor that tipped them over the edge of autism. And I think it is incredibly important, still, to try and figure out what, if any, vulnerabilities, in a small subset of children, might make them at risk for having certain vaccinations."
It was the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the National Institutes of Health, who was on CBS News in 2008 calling for such a study. She said,
This is the time when we do have the opportunity to understand whether or not there are susceptible children
that makes them more susceptible to vaccines plural, to one particular vaccine, or to components of a vaccine, like mercury.
We have to take another look at that hypothesis, not deny it
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CBS reporter, Sharyl Attkisson: Do you think the government was too quick to dismiss out of hand that there was this possibility of a link between vaccines and autism?
Healy: I think the government or certain health officials in the government have been too quick to dismiss the concerns of these families without studying the population that got sick. I havent seen major studies that focus on 300 kids who got autistic symptoms within a period of a few weeks of a vaccine. I think that public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational without sufficient studies of causation.
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PREDICTION: "Autism isn’t a separate mental condition, it is a medical disorder. Big difference."
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#49
Check it out. Wouldn't you like to know whether his input ended after this came to light?
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#2
I'm sorry, the guy's indictment for fraud isn't woo, nor his involvement in redefining autism. nt
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#6
Treating this guy's wrong-doing as evidence for anti-vax BS is a red herring...
Odin2005
Dec 2012
#9
Meanwhile, largely thanks to antivac woo, pertussis is on the rise and killing people.
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2012
#55
Off-topic, sorry, but that's inaccurate according to JAMA. Please research it.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#69
If you had any scientific evidence of a link, you wouldn't have to rely on character assassination.
jeff47
Dec 2012
#82
Three are leading establishment autism researchers. Why don't you look for their publications?
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#99
Obfuscate all you want, but it's clear answers are forthcoming. Start with confusing 2 with 21.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#103
On the contrary, AoA writers are ALL adamant no study has ever been done comparing the two groups.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#104
"WE HAVE NOT STUDIED VACCINATED VS UNVACCINATED," CDC's Dr. Coleen A. Boyle @ minute 2:34.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#106
Nope. I'm providing analyses by experts for the layperson, and it's absurd to require otherwise.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#110
Nonsense and about those 'criminal fraud charges,' just give it a little time.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#112
'Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle.' -Michelangelo.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#114
So true Odin2005- and some of the comments are SO inappropriate and insensitive.
BeHereNow
Dec 2012
#32
psychiatry and psychology are a very inexact studies - they really cannot be called science
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2012
#10
How is this late breaking news. This change has been known to the mental health profession for years
olddad56
Dec 2012
#18
Talk about a branch of idiocy based on non-science. The scientific method is NEVER used
LittlestStar
Dec 2012
#21
"Any single person could walk into a shrinks office and get diagnosed with anything..."
greiner3
Dec 2012
#22
(Off topic) Seen this? Rare, but really ugly relatively recent allegations supporting tama's post.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#97
Scientific method never used? Tell that to B.F. Skinner or Roger Sperry (Nobel laureate)
NoodleyAppendage
Dec 2012
#33
The real problem is that doctors who are NOT QUALIFIED to make mental health diagnoses...
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#43
Same is true for any doctor. If I insist to my GP I have pain in my back, he'll give me meds
Happyhippychick
Dec 2012
#46
No, anti-vaxers deserve summary dismissal based on previously established lack of scientific merit
Occulus
Dec 2012
#80
It may seem like a social construction to you, but if you ever have the misfortune of being in...
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#45
Neither Race nor Gender Constitute an Intrinsic Threat to Survival of the Individual
Demeter
Dec 2012
#48
so true. it is this medical model that prevents people from going into this career field...
olddad56
Dec 2012
#66
I doubt very much that you will lose any benefits because of your son's condition being re-named
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#89