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In reply to the discussion: Asperger's dropped from revised diagnosis manual [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)104. On the contrary, AoA writers are ALL adamant no study has ever been done comparing the two groups.
Here's a recent overview for you. (I wish it had a different title. How many will use that as an excuse to stop reading? Also irrelevant to the points detailed is the appeal to help fund a study.)
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/11/unvaccinated-children-and-autism-study-funding-needed-right-now.html
By J.B. Handley
Posted November 28, 2012 at 5:46 AM
In the above quote, author Nate Silver is discussing the fact that Moodys and S&P--the pre-eminent financial ratings agencies in the world-- underestimated the default risk of CDO funds by a factor of over 200, facilitating the implosion of the housing bubble and a worldwide recession.
Put another way, the financial experts at S&P and Moodys predicted that certain financial instruments would have a default rate of just 0.12 percent (just over one tenth of one percent), when the actual default rate turned out to be 28%.
How could so many smart people be so stupid?
This question lies at the heart of a battle and debate that so many of us are currently fightingis it possible that our health authorities, in an attempt to prevent every infectious disease they could through the use of vaccines, ended up creating a whole different set of problematic health outcomes in our children?
Here are the facts we know to be true: Please see link.
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...I think its ridiculous that the one study that could shed some light on all of this, a study so easy to do, a study our own Dan Olmsted has been writing about for almost 10 years, is still not getting done, largely because some people are scared to death of the possible outcome:
We could learn so much, we could know so much, we could know if the hypothesis many of us share holds any truth and we finally have the chance to do just that!!
Behind the scenes, researchers at a major US university have been trying to get an unvaccinated children study done...
More at link.
By J.B. Handley
Posted November 28, 2012 at 5:46 AM
In a complex system, however, mistakes are not measured in degrees but in whole orders of magnitude.
- Nate Silver, The Signal and the Noise
In the above quote, author Nate Silver is discussing the fact that Moodys and S&P--the pre-eminent financial ratings agencies in the world-- underestimated the default risk of CDO funds by a factor of over 200, facilitating the implosion of the housing bubble and a worldwide recession.
Put another way, the financial experts at S&P and Moodys predicted that certain financial instruments would have a default rate of just 0.12 percent (just over one tenth of one percent), when the actual default rate turned out to be 28%.
How could so many smart people be so stupid?
This question lies at the heart of a battle and debate that so many of us are currently fightingis it possible that our health authorities, in an attempt to prevent every infectious disease they could through the use of vaccines, ended up creating a whole different set of problematic health outcomes in our children?
Here are the facts we know to be true: Please see link.
<>
...I think its ridiculous that the one study that could shed some light on all of this, a study so easy to do, a study our own Dan Olmsted has been writing about for almost 10 years, is still not getting done, largely because some people are scared to death of the possible outcome:
Study the health outcomes of unvaccinated children and see if they differ from children who have received vaccines.
We could learn so much, we could know so much, we could know if the hypothesis many of us share holds any truth and we finally have the chance to do just that!!
Behind the scenes, researchers at a major US university have been trying to get an unvaccinated children study done...
More at link.
RELATED :
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/02/vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-children-some-data-are-in-and-they-are-disturbing-.html
Africa
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/05/from-the-editor.html
UK
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PREDICTION: "Autism isn’t a separate mental condition, it is a medical disorder. Big difference."
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#49
Check it out. Wouldn't you like to know whether his input ended after this came to light?
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#2
I'm sorry, the guy's indictment for fraud isn't woo, nor his involvement in redefining autism. nt
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#6
Treating this guy's wrong-doing as evidence for anti-vax BS is a red herring...
Odin2005
Dec 2012
#9
Meanwhile, largely thanks to antivac woo, pertussis is on the rise and killing people.
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2012
#55
Off-topic, sorry, but that's inaccurate according to JAMA. Please research it.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#69
If you had any scientific evidence of a link, you wouldn't have to rely on character assassination.
jeff47
Dec 2012
#82
Three are leading establishment autism researchers. Why don't you look for their publications?
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#99
Obfuscate all you want, but it's clear answers are forthcoming. Start with confusing 2 with 21.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#103
On the contrary, AoA writers are ALL adamant no study has ever been done comparing the two groups.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#104
"WE HAVE NOT STUDIED VACCINATED VS UNVACCINATED," CDC's Dr. Coleen A. Boyle @ minute 2:34.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#106
Nope. I'm providing analyses by experts for the layperson, and it's absurd to require otherwise.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#110
Nonsense and about those 'criminal fraud charges,' just give it a little time.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#112
'Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle.' -Michelangelo.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#114
So true Odin2005- and some of the comments are SO inappropriate and insensitive.
BeHereNow
Dec 2012
#32
psychiatry and psychology are a very inexact studies - they really cannot be called science
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2012
#10
How is this late breaking news. This change has been known to the mental health profession for years
olddad56
Dec 2012
#18
Talk about a branch of idiocy based on non-science. The scientific method is NEVER used
LittlestStar
Dec 2012
#21
"Any single person could walk into a shrinks office and get diagnosed with anything..."
greiner3
Dec 2012
#22
(Off topic) Seen this? Rare, but really ugly relatively recent allegations supporting tama's post.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2012
#97
Scientific method never used? Tell that to B.F. Skinner or Roger Sperry (Nobel laureate)
NoodleyAppendage
Dec 2012
#33
The real problem is that doctors who are NOT QUALIFIED to make mental health diagnoses...
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#43
Same is true for any doctor. If I insist to my GP I have pain in my back, he'll give me meds
Happyhippychick
Dec 2012
#46
No, anti-vaxers deserve summary dismissal based on previously established lack of scientific merit
Occulus
Dec 2012
#80
It may seem like a social construction to you, but if you ever have the misfortune of being in...
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#45
Neither Race nor Gender Constitute an Intrinsic Threat to Survival of the Individual
Demeter
Dec 2012
#48
so true. it is this medical model that prevents people from going into this career field...
olddad56
Dec 2012
#66
I doubt very much that you will lose any benefits because of your son's condition being re-named
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#89