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In reply to the discussion: National Anti-Fracking Group Launched... [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)15. Sound like good Democrats to me. When I was in the Young Democrats in college, we helped to organize
the first Earth Day. This is what the Democratic Party is supposed to be about. I've worked with PIRG and other groups in the past. They are not fools.
The only argument I can see to make one reluctant to mobilize is that it is an old and dirty environmental practice and by that reasoning, it's tried and true, so don't make a fuss. But we've had terrible practices since this country began, destroying the life giving properties of the land, air and water.
They were cleaned up with regulations and that has been gutted since the Reagan era. It hasn't stopped, and the GOP has sold the poor on the belief that a clean ecosystem is a luxury they can't afford. This is wrong.
Some may say that there have been improvements made, but as Obama stopped the first of the fracking in tribal country, the input of the people has to be taken into account. But those who are making money off of it, like those who make money off of mountain removal to get at coal, will defend it vigorously.
In a weaker economy than in the past, people are going for it because they feel they have no choice. There is a big problem with mineral rights not going along with real estate property owners for those who in areas that the oil companies want to frack. Americans need to unite to fight this.
Environmentalism was a core Democratic Party value as I've known it, but it's been demonized for so long, it's barely in the debates, not national and certainly not on the local level. It's a real hard sell to get neighbors who see a big check coming from fracking, either by selling what's under their land or working the rigs, to say 'No.'
Guess in the end, this is what we have to work against, and we in the cities are really not in charge of it:
The only argument I can see to make one reluctant to mobilize is that it is an old and dirty environmental practice and by that reasoning, it's tried and true, so don't make a fuss. But we've had terrible practices since this country began, destroying the life giving properties of the land, air and water.
They were cleaned up with regulations and that has been gutted since the Reagan era. It hasn't stopped, and the GOP has sold the poor on the belief that a clean ecosystem is a luxury they can't afford. This is wrong.
Some may say that there have been improvements made, but as Obama stopped the first of the fracking in tribal country, the input of the people has to be taken into account. But those who are making money off of it, like those who make money off of mountain removal to get at coal, will defend it vigorously.
In a weaker economy than in the past, people are going for it because they feel they have no choice. There is a big problem with mineral rights not going along with real estate property owners for those who in areas that the oil companies want to frack. Americans need to unite to fight this.
Environmentalism was a core Democratic Party value as I've known it, but it's been demonized for so long, it's barely in the debates, not national and certainly not on the local level. It's a real hard sell to get neighbors who see a big check coming from fracking, either by selling what's under their land or working the rigs, to say 'No.'
Guess in the end, this is what we have to work against, and we in the cities are really not in charge of it:
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There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that fracking fluids have EVER contaminated drinking water.
Indydem
Dec 2012
#24
"natural chemicals" that the industry won't reveal? Apparently, you work for the industry
wordpix
Dec 2012
#50
there's plenty of peer reviewed science on this and safe process? You gotta be kidding
wordpix
Dec 2012
#49
A flaming tap and a glass full of toxic water, and you might rethink that comment.
NEOBuckeye
Dec 2012
#6
There are perfectly normal and natural methane pockets that end up in aquifers.
Indydem
Dec 2012
#23
this guy from the film Gasland did not have his water ignite until fracking came to his 'hood
wordpix
Dec 2012
#47
You bet. From GD - "Bayou Frack-Out: The Massive Oil and Gas Disaster You’ve Never Heard Of"...
Indi Guy
Dec 2012
#36
DU has had many threads on fracking. The process is not new, but is a major polluter, IMO.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#12
Sound like good Democrats to me. When I was in the Young Democrats in college, we helped to organize
freshwest
Dec 2012
#15
I don't usually bother with people who are dismissive, call names and give no facts.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#56
I doubt it has, or will prove them wrong. Did you note the Calvin & Hobbes pic? That's what this is.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#42
He doesn't need to convince you. Economics has convinced him. I'm not apologizing, just explaining
freshwest
Dec 2012
#48
Looks good, I hope a LOT of people see this. And RFK, Jr. has my utmost respect on all issues.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#57
Many major reputations and credibility at stake there, not hit and run like some. nt
patrice
Dec 2012
#54
Let me suggest to you that the industry does not act with such caution, so why must people?
NEOBuckeye
Dec 2012
#19
Unfortunately the term "conservation" is foreign to today's "conservative" lexicon...
Indi Guy
Dec 2012
#71
Duke study finds “systematic evidence for methane contamination of drinking water associated with sh
limpyhobbler
Dec 2012
#65