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MADem

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8. No it doesn't. It has to do with the Cubans rejecting US comm links and using VZ ones instead.
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:59 PM
Jan 2013

The Cubans could have had some state of the art American internet for the last four years, if they wanted. To include those hotspots on every corner.

Further, there are work arounds for everything, obviously. Otherwise there wouldn't be any Japanese and Korean cars in Cuba--and we know they're there--not everyone is driving around in Russian pieces of shit and old American cars anymore, and nobody in the US excoriated the Japanese or Koreans for selling 'em the cars.

For the sake of argument, though, let's pretend that the US is "on this" like white on rice and really cares one way or another about this shit anymore (which they don't). It would be a simple matter for the (fill in handy dandy third party nation) to create a company exclusively to do the deal, and IF (not when, if) the US caught wind of it, poof, the company dissolves, disbands, disappears--there's no one left to "punish." A new company then springs up to "service" the equipment that Cuba possesses.

And you're seriously trying to pretend that we're the only vendor of routers in the world? Or that we'd start wagging fingers at China when they sold them to Cuba, given the amount of money we owe them?

That's just a foolish premise.


Here's how it all breaks down--from our friends at Wiki:

U.S. regulations were recently modified to encourage communication links with Cuba.[4] In 2009 President Obama announced that the US would allow American companies to provide Internet service to Cuba, however, the Cuban government rejected the offer and is instead working with the Venezuelan government.[7]

There's much more at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Cuba


A special permit is required to use the Internet. Access to the Internet is heavily controlled, and all e-mails are closely monitored.[8][9]

The Cuban authorities have called the Internet "the great disease of 21st century" due to 'counter-revolutionary' information being available on a number of websites,
some of which are official news sites.[10] As a result of computer ownership bans, computer ownership rates were among the world's lowest.[9] However, since buying a computer was legalized in 2007, the ownership of computers in Cuba soared, dramatically increasing the number of Internet users. But, the rates still remain quite low, partially due to the high costs of systems and Internet usage per hour in contrast to the average monthly wage.[8]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_in_Cuba


The Cuban GOVERNMENT is dragging their feet--they know the day is coming when they can't control their population anymore, but they're doing the dribs-n-drabs thing; trying to slow the pace of change for as long as they can. As it is, the government's censorship of the net is ONOROUS--you don't have to look far to see how they oversee what they have, and how they keep the cost so high, and the permit requirements in place, to limit access.

In time, though, that will change, and the country will change too.
That's awesome. Happy for the Cubans on this one. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #1
Counting down to "accidental" cut of undersea cable in 3..., 2..., 1... nt OnyxCollie Jan 2013 #2
Why would they cut the cable their pals in Venezuela bought for them? MADem Jan 2013 #10
"Cuba has the second-worst Internet connectivity rate in the world, according to one study. MADem Jan 2013 #3
And Cuba is THE ONLY country suffering from the US extraterritorial embargo ... Mika Jan 2013 #4
Not true. See the comments elsewhere in this thread. You're shopping an old tale. nt MADem Jan 2013 #11
Nope. What you're saying isn't true. I won't say what you're shoveling. Mika Jan 2013 #51
Well, by not saying, you just did. Hey, snark and run is easier. I understand why MADem Jan 2013 #52
The lack of connectivity in Cuba has more to do with the American government than the Cuban Xithras Jan 2013 #5
No it doesn't. It has to do with the Cubans rejecting US comm links and using VZ ones instead. MADem Jan 2013 #8
The info you linked to disagrees with you: ronnie624 Jan 2013 #13
Interesting! Thank you for pointing it out. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #14
Apparently, some folks think no one is going to read the articles they post. n/t ronnie624 Jan 2013 #16
Apparently "some folks" DON'T read the articles that others post. MADem Jan 2013 #20
Why don't you post something that merits consideration? n/t ronnie624 Jan 2013 #22
You show your lack of maturity with comments like that. You can disagree without being childish. nt MADem Jan 2013 #33
Nice try....you didn't read the "but but" bit that followed, did you? MADem Jan 2013 #17
Cherry pick? ronnie624 Jan 2013 #18
How many times do you need to be told that Obama offered connectivity four years ago? MADem Jan 2013 #19
Lack of funding and poor state of the economy are probably factual, ronnie624 Jan 2013 #21
There is no talking to you. You make shit up and put words in people's mouths. MADem Jan 2013 #23
Typically bizarre. n/t ronnie624 Jan 2013 #24
Yes, good that you see that. Perhaps one day you'll engage in constructive conversation. nt MADem Jan 2013 #25
which OFFER did Obama make reorg Jan 2013 #26
Cuba preferred to deal w/Venezuela because they had the "currency" to pay Venezuela. MADem Jan 2013 #27
Gross's subterfuge on behalf of a USAID, was in violation of Cuban law. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #29
Well, the UN begs to differ. nt MADem Jan 2013 #30
What Did Alan Gross Do in Cuba? ronnie624 Jan 2013 #32
The US can "spring" Gross any day it wants by releasing the 5.Hideous they've kept them so long. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #34
And unlike Gross, ronnie624 Jan 2013 #37
Whole different story. They actually went to the FBI themselves, bringing their information Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #43
"Cuba: documents describe US "transition plans"" Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #45
Thanks. I'll definitely want to read that. n/t ronnie624 Jan 2013 #47
From your link: MADem Jan 2013 #36
Of course accusations of anti-Semitism are flying. So? ronnie624 Jan 2013 #39
They're "obviously nonsense" because YOU say so? MADem Jan 2013 #41
You've provided no evidence of anti-Semitism. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #44
He clearly was operating dishonestly when he entered the country. Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #54
The first link works perfectly. Link offers free registration: Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #31
The Foreign Policy link is the SECOND link. That one worked. Try reading before you lecture. nt MADem Jan 2013 #35
Not aware he was obese when he went to Cuba? Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #40
The man on the left is fat. The man on the right is emaciated. MADem Jan 2013 #42
you didn't answer my question reorg Jan 2013 #49
Thanks for throwing some light on the "offer". n/t ronnie624 Jan 2013 #50
How much clearer can I make it? I have provided links that reference it. MADem Jan 2013 #53
actually, no, you didn't provide links referencing an "offer" by Obama reorg Jan 2013 #55
Right, and improving that is the purpose of this project. Ash_F Jan 2013 #6
My chronology is fine. Cuba refused Obama's help to establish internet links four years ago. MADem Jan 2013 #9
It's still a three tier system. joshcryer Jan 2013 #7
Remind me Crepuscular Jan 2013 #12
because "HOW DARE THEY!" Ash_F Jan 2013 #15
The nomenklatura needs better porn jsr Jan 2013 #28
A Canadian company was installing internet cable from Florida to Cuba in the late 90s flamingdem Jan 2013 #38
They should properly prostrate themselves before the US government. ronnie624 Jan 2013 #46
Seven Actions Obama Should Take On Cuba Now Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #48
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