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TrogL

(32,822 posts)
46. No shuttle to send
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:45 PM
Feb 2013

This is not like a jet fighter that you can launch in 30 minutes. It takes months to get a shuttle ready to go unless there's one on the launchpad ready to go, which there wasn't.

When the shuttle re-enters it's going some insane speed like Mach 10. The wings are pollished to micron tolerances because the slightest scratch will cause friction, which will cause exactly what we saw. The scratch likely wouldn't even be visible to the naked eye.

Personally, I agree they should have been told if nothing else so those who were into that kind of thing could make peace with their Maker for longer than the few seconds available once they knew they were in trouble. They might also have been allowed to make their own decision about what to do, basically die in space (likely by their own hand) or die on re-entry. I suppose what they could have done is boosted the shuttle to the highest possible orbit in the hopes that another shuttle mission could come along and attempt to repair the wing, then fly one or both shuttles back with the bodies. Given the technology involved, I doubt even this was possible. That's not what I'm arguing about.

The problem is - I remember John Glenn's first flight. There was potential that his heat shield was loose. They chose to leave his retro rocket pack attached so its clamps would hold the heat shield in place until air pressure took over. The pack was burned away during re-entry. This was ridiculously risky because if it had burned away in an uneven manner, it could have tumbled the capsule and it would have burned up. They DID consult with Glenn, but in the process the whole world heard about it and the world stopped to watch TV or glued to the radio. They're probably still hearing from people second-guessing them.

In that case, as in Apollo 13, (thanks for the correction up above, I've got the flu and can barely see the screen) there actually was a coherent alternative.

If I were a member of the crew, I'd want to know... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #1
I wouldn't want to know........ TheDebbieDee Jan 2013 #15
Oh my gawd. Control-Z Jan 2013 #2
As was I when I heard it on ABC Radio News at the top of the hour. eom Purveyor Jan 2013 #3
It's a right... Jerry442 Jan 2013 #4
I would want to know so we could start working on a solution, like maybe using the DhhD Jan 2013 #5
Documents detail shuttle what-ifs Wilms Jan 2013 #25
The destruction of Columbia was due to utter incompetence Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #6
+1 ellisonz Jan 2013 #21
It... deathrind Jan 2013 #7
Well I never heard about this until today. eom Purveyor Jan 2013 #9
Wow! SouthernDonkey Jan 2013 #8
One of my friends and co-workers was on that flight. lapfog_1 Jan 2013 #10
Wow iandhr Jan 2013 #11
This has been known for several years Ian Iam Jan 2013 #12
It has? I remember a lot of speculation being bandied about...... TheDebbieDee Jan 2013 #16
The truly damning information begins at the 41.03 mark Ian Iam Jan 2013 #20
Difference between known and demonstrable. /nt TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #30
I don't believe there's anything new here..... groundloop Jan 2013 #13
Just like there was NOTHING that could be done with Apollo 13? benld74 Jan 2013 #14
What, exactly, do you propose they do? TrogL Jan 2013 #17
Uh.. you gotta be kidding me. Flying Squirrel Jan 2013 #19
Well the world will NEVER know now will they? benld74 Jan 2013 #22
Apollo 13, not Apollo 11. longship Jan 2013 #27
Send up another shuttle with just a pilot and rescue suits. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #31
There wasn't time. jeff47 Feb 2013 #33
What's Justin Bieber got to do with this. daleo Feb 2013 #34
He's what passes for a modern day hero. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #37
Music industry has been inventing heroes forever daleo Feb 2013 #48
No shuttle to send TrogL Feb 2013 #46
Anyone recall why temporary stays at ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #18
Different orbit. Xithras Jan 2013 #23
I think Columbia did not have docking capability too. nt XRubicon Jan 2013 #26
Had transfer been a real possibility, it wouldn't have mattered. Xithras Feb 2013 #36
Completely different orbits, wouldn't have had enough fuel to reach. nt DRoseDARs Jan 2013 #24
Hooray for me. rocktivity Jan 2013 #28
Duly noted. +1 eom Purveyor Jan 2013 #29
What a twat Scairp Feb 2013 #32
gee...zuss... cntrfthrs Feb 2013 #35
I think I'd rather personally not know -- but I sure wouldn't feel I could make that gateley Feb 2013 #38
Telling Them RobinA Feb 2013 #44
Agree. Maybe that should have been something discussed before the launch? gateley Feb 2013 #47
what lousy reporting. blackspade Feb 2013 #39
Columbia was too heavy to reach ISS LunaSea Feb 2013 #40
Thanks for the link... blackspade Feb 2013 #45
What's the news? I thought that was a LONG foregone conclusion... Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #41
Why isn't a rescue space shuttle ever an option? WestCoastLib Feb 2013 #42
Seems to me like that was an option in the earlier flights where they wouldn't launch unless Purveyor Feb 2013 #43
NASA's prime mission is not safety. Psephos Feb 2013 #49
"He's a pilot! You tell him the condition of his craft!" (Line 33944) 24601 Feb 2013 #50
Remind me again who was pResident when this was allowed to happen? Ian David Feb 2013 #51
Columbia Dies over Texas - story by radio host Thom Hartmann Ian David Feb 2013 #52
What happened to NASA's motto liberal N proud Feb 2013 #53
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