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In reply to the discussion: White House May Look to Compromise on Contraception Decision. [View all]tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)39. President Obama, there is no need to capitulate on this.....
Yes, I said capitulate, not compromise.
From the Religion News Service via WaPo:
A majority of Americans, including Catholics, believe that employers should be required to provide health care plans that cover contraception and birth control at no cost, according to a new survey.
Despite the fact that Catholic bishops slammed Obama for his contraceptives decision, a majority of their parishioners polled disagree:
In fact, Catholics are more likely than Americans in general (52 to 49 percent) to say that religiously affiliated employers should have to provide contraception coverage, according to the PRRI survey.
Here, frankly, IMO are the most critical numbers from research done by the Guttmacher Institute:
Among all women who have had sex, 99% have ever used a contraceptive method other than natural family planning. This figure is virtually the same among Catholic women (98%).
and
Only 2% of Catholic women rely on natural family planning; this is true even among Catholic women who attend church once a month or more.
These patterns also hold for evangelicals, which relies on male or female sterilization more than any other religion (4 in 10).
And, importantly, the vast majority of women of all religious denominations researched were sexually active by their early 20s.
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The above graph is from the Institute's very informative report titled "[link:http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/Religion-and-Contraceptive-Use.pdf|Countering Conventional Wisdom:
New Evidence on Religion and Contraceptive Use]" (pdf)
The President has made some strong statements lately and has some data & polls at his back. I happen to think his poll numbers are due, in part, to his showing some real strengths in contrast to Republican really losing positions & candidates. It's not the time to revert to the capitulating guy who many criticize as weak. Obama just, once again, makes himself look weak by offering this capitulation when it's mostly the bishops & pundits who object to his proposal and not the actual real life Americans (i.e., voters). Stay strong, Mr. President. Don't cave on this -- the original proposal is the right one and has the support of Americans, including the parishioners of those bombastic bishops.
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Anyone can be wrong sometimes. And sometimes one has to sound condescending when talking to idiots.
20score
Feb 2012
#103
This has nothing to do with "religious tolerance", so plez dont play that card.
rhett o rick
Feb 2012
#108
I see it as special treatment. The "church" doesnt have to follow a law because of a "moral code"
rhett o rick
Feb 2012
#120
You know, I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but I just heard that many of the
gateley
Feb 2012
#2
Most Catholics I know would just blow that off. Of course, most Catholics I know don't
gateley
Feb 2012
#13
I don't believe it. Most Catholics blow off the nutbag priests/bishops on this issue.
Arugula Latte
Feb 2012
#11
I know -- so I wonder who's causing the ruckus? I don't know why we don't automatically cast a
gateley
Feb 2012
#35
I am sure. Scrap it. Then Scrap Medicaid and everything else except medicare for every citizen.
CAPHAVOC
Feb 2012
#73
Actuallyyou're right. But there is a vocal minority that ruins our image. n/t
vaberella
Feb 2012
#82
Catholic leadership needs to looks at the newest poll as does the Administration
maddezmom
Feb 2012
#6
Exactly, but though he's once again talking big, he's disappointing in his constant caving.
Lionessa
Feb 2012
#52
"Compromise" on making birthcontrol available is in same category as being "kinda pregnant"...
Pachamama
Feb 2012
#40
Oh for fuck's sake...can we finally move out of the 16th century with this bullshit?
Hugabear
Feb 2012
#42
No! Do not cave at all on this. If Catholics want to cough up the Billions of $$
AllyCat
Feb 2012
#56
i have a problem with a religious state trying to dictate laws in this country...
madrchsod
Feb 2012
#60
nobody is forcing catholics to use birth control (although 98% admit to using it)..
frylock
Feb 2012
#105
ummm i "pushed it onto you" because you're the only one pushing that argument..
frylock
Feb 2012
#122
So, will they allow the cults that do not believe in medecine not to offer insurance at all? Or the
Mass
Feb 2012
#92
No they wont get their republicon president, but one that yields to the bishops. nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2012
#99
in consideration of Catholics, there is one form of contraception the Catholics use
MACARD
Feb 2012
#101