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roseBudd

(8,718 posts)
19. This describes the hysterics to a T
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jul 2013
http://randomrationality.com/2013/07/05/creationism-anti-gmo/

What do the Creationist & Anti-GMO Platform Have in Common?

Creationists and the Anti-GMO crowd (hereafter referred to as anti’s) crowd share a foundational base; one amusing to explore, no less. Creationism, or Intelligent Design (ID) as it is known in some circles where they pretend to themselves it is a scientific theory, has been notorious at setting up evolutionary straw men that they can then easily knock them down to the delight of other believers. (A straw man argument is where you intentionally misrepresent an argument so that you can take down the ‘straw man’ argument without taking on the actual argument to the benefit of your ego and ignorance of your audience.)

In all aspects of the debate on the health, benefits, and detriments of genetically modified food, they’ve exhibit the same tactics, manners, fallacies, and in the process of trying (emphasis on trying) to fortify their position use discredited studies, and almost always refuted or outdated to promulgate their belief that GMOs are bad, bad, and badder than organic produce. They resort to catchy one-liners, misleading metaphors, and outright false perceptions (similar to the crocoduck) to caricature and influence those who come across their opinionations. (It goes without saying that I’m only referring to the fundamentalists of either camp, not the rank-and-file and normal people who are calm and measured in their opposition, although even they have no evidence as such in opposition; another thing they share with believers of ancient Middle Eastern fairy tales.)
In this way, the two camps share common philosophical foundations, which are:
(1) the belief that they know more than the experts
(2) that intuitions trump evidence
(3) that reality should conform to our wishes and desires instead of the other way around.

Both camps are big fans of vivid, negative metaphors and imagery that tickle the humanoid amygdala, thus allowing the biased brain to fill in the blanks — almost always badly. Such examples include references to contamination of organic crops by GM crops, instead of the proper term: cross-pollination. Another is the name-calling of conventional farmers as chemical-farmers, as if natural chemicals are different at the molecular (they are not — anything you can see, touch, feel, and taste is a chemical made up of the same basic building blocks as everything else). Yet another is the calling of sterile seeds ‘terminator seeds,’ while on the other hand condemning and making issues out of contamination (cross-pollination); ignoring the fact that sterile seeds are a perfect way of preventing cross-pollination, yet was so heavily criticized by the anti’s that Monsanto respected the wishes of this vocal minority, who, having won that victory, then had the ammunition, hysteria, and irony to boot, to complain of potential contamination of organic farms by GM farms, which would not have occurred had Monsanto been allowed to develop their sterile seeds. (Then with that victory won, they bought out that old tripe: Monsanto doesn’t allow farmers to re-use their seeds! A practice that preceded Monsanto’s entry into the seed business.) The anti’s, or whichever few orchestrated these campaigns, are either stupid or evil. Either way, a long time ago, this became politics instead of fighting for the environment; it became a worldview predicated not on information or evidence, but defending a viewpoint that long ago ceased to pollinate with reality.
Major K&R. closeupready Jul 2013 #1
Dear Monsanto .. 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #2
The best thing the U.S. can do is to dump Monsanto's GMO foods too. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #3
+1 sakabatou Jul 2013 #4
Fat Chance LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #7
It's different in Europe DFW Jul 2013 #5
Daily shopping too tazkcmo Jul 2013 #14
Yeah, our fridge is no bigger even today DFW Jul 2013 #15
I just figure that... SoapBox Jul 2013 #6
Third eyes actually can improve vision. True. closeupready Jul 2013 #8
This describes the hysterics to a T roseBudd Jul 2013 #19
That's silly. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #28
That's silly. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #29
More historical context. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #54
More. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #30
You demonstrate my point with confirmation bias roseBudd Jul 2013 #34
Forget Seralini; try 118 articles on glyphosate from 'US National Library of Medicine' publications. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #41
I hate Monsanto, but where's the evidence that eating GM foods is bad for you? alp227 Jul 2013 #9
At least by making its labelling mandatory dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #10
That is all I'm asking for. Let me make the choice, indeed! eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #51
I'm sure you can volunteer to guinea pig for human testing closeupready Jul 2013 #12
Yep. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #59
There's plenty of evidence..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #13
You mean like the botulism, created by Nature, or how about that natural roseBudd Jul 2013 #17
It works slowly. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #20
Very scientific claims there to back up your beliefs roseBudd Jul 2013 #22
Fraudulent science, how about sick kids? These findings give support to The Precautionary Principle proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #33
Fail. that is not evidence. roseBudd Jul 2013 #35
"Because while our children may only represent 30% of the population, they are 100% of our future." proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #42
Pusztai? Embarrassing. That the antis have nothing but bad science should tell you something roseBudd Jul 2013 #57
Pusztai is a heavy-hitter, as described in post #43. No contest. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #60
Logical fallacy Argument from Authority roseBudd Jul 2013 #62
ABSOLUTELY FALSE -"Peer review tells us that...Pusztai performed shoddy research." proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #65
This, too. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #43
Again Pusztai. Embarrassing roseBudd Jul 2013 #58
Replacement link. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #75
Ironic you'd mention risk factors. Here's a 2009 Press Release from Breast Cancer Action about rBGH. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #49
I was wondering when the Monsanto roody Jul 2013 #23
I am not a Monsanto folk, I research before I jump on band wagons roseBudd Jul 2013 #36
Courtesy Michael Hansen, PhD Senior Scientist, Consumer Reports: Monsanto, GM foods & Health Risks. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #46
And climate change deniers have Roy Spencer also a PHD roseBudd Jul 2013 #63
FALSE - "The vast majority of scientists agree that biotech food is safe. " The field is evolving. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #64
Climate change deniers do the same thiing. They flock to that roseBudd Jul 2013 #67
+1000 this is a giant waste of time... roseBudd Jul 2013 #18
The consequences are a failed business model. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #31
I imagine it's easier to trivialize and minimize the person than it is to take valid exception LanternWaste Jul 2013 #53
Check it out. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #72
"'no one in conventional medicine will have the data' to prove it"?? alp227 Jul 2013 #73
Oh, it's just a single case history, but wait for the GMO labeling laws to be implemented. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #74
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #11
This is the left's climate change denial... roseBudd Jul 2013 #16
There's no point. crim son Jul 2013 #24
You can shop at Whole Paycheck, no one is preventing you from paying too roseBudd Jul 2013 #37
Um, take your Frankenfood shill act closeupready Jul 2013 #44
Whole Paycheck is full of GMOs! roody Jul 2013 #45
FYI, claims of altruistic and humanitarian motives are explored in investigative reports here. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #47
IAASTD examined global agriculture on scale comparable to Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #48
Check it out. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #32
Al Gore: The challenges raised by human biotechnologies on par with those of global climate change. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #50
Yea! Now let's do that in the US! blackspade Jul 2013 #21
Is European science crim son Jul 2013 #25
That is not evidence roseBudd Jul 2013 #39
you really are outnumbered here .... chillfactor Jul 2013 #52
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #26
Good to see felix_numinous Jul 2013 #27
It is not condescending to point out bad science. roseBudd Jul 2013 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Jul 2013 #40
Clearly SPAM is not gmo n/t mathematic Jul 2013 #55
Witty. nt proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #56
More. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #61
Europe has its own ag-biotech companies--GMOs are here to stay Dagny_K Jul 2013 #66
GMO is needed to deal with 9 billion future humans & climate change roseBudd Jul 2013 #68
GMOs are Here to stay Dagny_K Jul 2013 #69
GMOs save arable land. GMOs given the opportunity can prevent over fishing, roseBudd Jul 2013 #70
Financial Times says Europe right to doubt GM crops. proverbialwisdom Jul 2013 #71
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