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Lugal Zaggesi

(366 posts)
16. Our "image abroad" ?
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jul 2013

Sorry to burst your happy propaganda bubble, but this is exactly what the USA has "stood for" for over a century, to acquire and maintain it's position of wealth and power. The big difference now is US authorities can't control the information that interested US citizens get so easily, because of the Internet and digital cameras and videos.

e.g. Philippine–American War - 1899-1902 (after 1902, the "insurgents" were declared "brigands", so the "war" was over) - hundreds of thousands of dead women and children

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/02/25/080225fa_fact_kramer?currentPage=all

Within the first year of the war, news of atrocities by U.S. forces—the torching of villages, the killing of prisoners—began to appear in American newspapers. Although the U.S. military censored outgoing cables, stories crossed the Pacific through the mail, which wasn’t censored. Soldiers, in their letters home, wrote about extreme violence against Filipinos, alongside complaints about the weather, the food, and their officers; and some of these letters were published in home-town newspapers. A letter by A. F. Miller, of the 32nd Volunteer Infantry Regiment, published in the Omaha World-Herald in May, 1900, told of how Miller’s unit uncovered hidden weapons by subjecting a prisoner to what he and others called the “water cure.” “Now, this is the way we give them the water cure,” he explained. “Lay them on their backs, a man standing on each hand and each foot, then put a round stick in the mouth and pour a pail of water in the mouth and nose, and if they don’t give up pour in another pail. They swell up like toads. I’ll tell you it is a terrible torture.”

Still, the subject of what was called, with a late-Victorian delicacy, “cruelties” by U.S. troops arose a few days into the hearings...

During his court-martial, Waller testified that he had been under orders from the volatile, aging Brigadier General Jacob Smith (“Hell-Roaring Jake,” to his comrades) to transform the island into a “howling wilderness,” to “kill and burn” to the greatest degree possible—“The more you kill and burn, the better it will please me”—and to shoot anyone “capable of bearing arms.” According to Waller, when he asked Smith what this last stipulation meant in practical terms, Smith had clarified that he thought that ten-year-old Filipino boys were capable of bearing arms.

More generally, some people, while conceding that American soldiers had engaged in “cruelties,” insisted that the behavior reflected the barbaric sensibilities of the Filipinos. “I think I know why these things have happened,” Lodge offered in a Senate speech in May. They had “grown out of the conditions of warfare, of the war that was waged by the Filipinos themselves, a semicivilized people, with all the tendencies and characteristics of Asiatics, with the Asiatic indifference to life, with the Asiatic treachery and the Asiatic cruelty...
Obviously, the solution is to track down that leaker and charge him/her with espionage. deurbano Jul 2013 #1
First we must decide if it's a leaker or a traitor or spy. I suggest the gov start using "Depends" L0oniX Jul 2013 #6
nice one, my thoughts exactly although not the image that came to mind wordpix Jul 2013 #35
We're slaughtering innocents and all people can muster is snark. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #8
The poster was echoing the actual concern of our government. Covering their ass. nt valerief Jul 2013 #9
I hope you aren't referring to me. Snark is not all I can muster. deurbano Jul 2013 #10
Thank you for all your statements. truedelphi Jul 2013 #38
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2013 #2
Forget the death toll! The important thing is the leak! Chef Eric Jul 2013 #3
K & R n/t xocet Jul 2013 #4
Another leaker with a stripper girl friend, who dropped out of school and had a sex change. L0oniX Jul 2013 #5
It's time to stop this madness. go west young man Jul 2013 #7
Better yet, ronnie624 Jul 2013 #14
Our "image abroad" ? Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #16
In contrast, I think it's fair to consider the US bombing in Cambodia and Laos cheapdate Jul 2013 #11
The fault in your logic Maedhros Jul 2013 #13
Good post. ronnie624 Jul 2013 #15
I have no such belief. cheapdate Jul 2013 #25
I didn't say that those were the only alternatives. cheapdate Jul 2013 #24
Damn! I envy you your talent on being able to find justification for the murder matthews Jul 2013 #19
The US objective, as I understand it, cheapdate Jul 2013 #26
It's not apparent to anybody with a sense of morality and a belief that matthews Jul 2013 #28
Let me make sure I've got this straight. cheapdate Jul 2013 #32
Where did you ever get the idea that I'm for dropping bombs on people matthews Jul 2013 #33
I'm very curious to know which statement of mine cheapdate Jul 2013 #36
You can't figure it out? matthews Jul 2013 #39
I agree. cheapdate Jul 2013 #40
Just give them time. The U.S. war on Southeast Asia started "small." Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #23
Drones as a military tool are here to stay. cheapdate Jul 2013 #27
Who in Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki could "fight back" jberryhill Jul 2013 #29
something occurred to me yesterday azurnoir Jul 2013 #12
That is a brilliant response. And the absolute truth. nt matthews Jul 2013 #20
K&R NealK Jul 2013 #17
Is the killing of 94 children just a small price our nation willingly pays to wipe terra off the indepat Jul 2013 #18
We 'happily' allow many more children to die violently in the United States... DreamGypsy Jul 2013 #30
That 130 children killed by guns in the United States since the Newtown shootings is a price the indepat Jul 2013 #34
Ah, you bleeding hearts Doctor_J Jul 2013 #21
sickening warmongering murder,. no justification exists for atrocities like these. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #22
acts like this insure that the war on terror will never end..... dtom67 Jul 2013 #31
"It's not wrong when WE do it!" FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #37
94 dead children ...your tax dollar at work! Can you say "complicit"? L0oniX Jul 2013 #41
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