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Hissyspit

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Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:32 AM Aug 2013

Members of Congress Denied Access to Basic Information About NSA [View all]

Source: Guardian

Members of Congress denied access to basic information about NSA

Documents provided by two House members demonstrate how they are blocked from exercising any oversight over domestic surveillance


Glenn Greenwald

theguardian.com, Sunday 4 August 2013 08.26 EDT

Members of Congress have been repeatedly thwarted when attempting to learn basic information about the National Security Agency (NSA) and the secret FISA court which authorizes its activities, documents provided by two House members demonstrate.

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But members of Congress, including those in Obama's party, have flatly denied knowing about them. On MSNBC on Wednesday night, Sen. Mark Blumenthal (D-Ct) was asked by host Chris Hayes: "How much are you learning about what the government that you are charged with overseeing and holding accountable is doing from the newspaper and how much of this do you know?" The Senator's reply:

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But it is not merely that members of Congress are unaware of the very existence of these programs, let alone their capabilities. Beyond that, members who seek out basic information - including about NSA programs they are required to vote on and FISA court (FISC) rulings on the legality of those programs - find that they are unable to obtain it.

Two House members, GOP Rep. Morgan Griffith of Virginia and Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida, have provided the Guardian with numerous letters and emails documenting their persistent, and unsuccessful, efforts to learn about NSA programs and relevant FISA court rulings.

"If I can't get basic information about these programs, then I'm not able to do my job", Rep. Griffith told me. A practicing lawyer before being elected to Congress, he said that his job includes "making decisions about whether these programs should be funded, but also an oath to safeguard the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which includes the Fourth Amendment."

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/04/congress-nsa-denied-access

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"they are unable to obtain it" yet they repeatedly vote to authorize funding. PSPS Aug 2013 #1
^^^^THIS^^^^ valerief Aug 2013 #10
Do they? BlueStreak Aug 2013 #16
Deception, Misdirection And Obfuscation All Around - A House Of Political Mirrors cantbeserious Aug 2013 #2
The "War on Terror" has become a law unto itself. another_liberal Aug 2013 #3
2,605 Americans died on 9/11 Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #15
What you say is, sadly, quite true. another_liberal Aug 2013 #26
Thank you for using the correct number of "Americans" JackRiddler Aug 2013 #44
It is becoming obvious that elected officials do not control the USA ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #4
JFK tried to rein in the CIA and other spooks Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #17
Exactly ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #18
Then vote no continually until you get it and a yes is deserved, or noy on point Aug 2013 #5
Well... sheshe2 Aug 2013 #6
All that cut and paste for nothing PSPS Aug 2013 #20
Exactly. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #39
Another thing apologist Eichenwald is doing... JackRiddler Aug 2013 #40
Info denied to Grayson by a committee 'voice vote' that the ranking member didn't know about muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #7
grayson won't take the Kafka treatment as business as usual nashville_brook Aug 2013 #13
So they have been voting to fund this on basic information Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #8
Cue the Greenwald attackers. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #9
In a so-called Democracy Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #12
"there were seven Democrat Members and nine Republican Members in attendance" PSPS Aug 2013 #21
The same thing happened when Congress "approved" the so-called "Bill to go to War with Iraq" in 2002 Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #11
Bob Graham could have told other members of Congress soryang Aug 2013 #24
and he would have gone to prison Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #25
Read the Supreme Court decision in Gravel v US soryang Aug 2013 #31
No member can be sent to prison for what they say on the floor of the House or Senate. 24601 Aug 2013 #45
Yes, I realized that was probably true, later Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #46
I don't buy these excuses because I READ. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #41
Republicans are mainly ignorant nutjobs. But here's the 29 Democratic Senators dumb enough to vote Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #43
Where are the Greenwald attackers? Are they off on Sundays? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #14
I think last Sunday was #5 Sunday. PSPS Aug 2013 #22
Do tell Mr. Beck! SoapBox Aug 2013 #19
The disingenuous excuse for lack of oversight soryang Aug 2013 #23
Few members of Congress have the cajones of Bradley Manning Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #27
so the slides are printed and reprinted questionseverything Aug 2013 #29
Have you ever had access to classified information? soryang Aug 2013 #30
Yes, I have Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #32
Who cares you don't know the law on this subject soryang Aug 2013 #33
Then again Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #34
Congressional Whistleblowers?!? William deB. Mills Aug 2013 #28
Do we really need any more proof that the shadow government runs this country? olddad56 Aug 2013 #35
Any politically aware American ronnie624 Aug 2013 #36
Transparency! blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #37
Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #38
within 10 days of 9-11 Congress created a monster. bunch of knee-jerkers. Sunlei Aug 2013 #42
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