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In reply to the discussion: Members of Congress Denied Access to Basic Information About NSA [View all]sheshe2
(83,791 posts)6. Well...
WEDNESDAY, JULY 31, 2013
What you'll be reading about NSA surveillance tomorrow (updated)
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Secondly, the release of the 2 white papers on the metadata collection program is likely aimed at quelling the "Oh my, we didn't know!" coming from so many members of Congress lately. This article goes on to point out that the papers were given to the Intelligence Committees in both the House and Senate - who were then asked to provide them to all members of Congress in a classified setting. The message is that if they didn't know, they chose not to.
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The overall fact - as even Greenwald has to admit - is that in order to review this kind of information about US persons, they need a warrant.
Under US law, the NSA is required to obtain an individualized Fisa warrant only if the target of their surveillance is a 'US person', though no such warrant is required for intercepting the communications of Americans with foreign targets. But XKeyscore provides the technological capability, if not the legal authority, to target even US persons for extensive electronic surveillance without a warrant provided that some identifying information, such as their email or IP address, is known to the analyst.
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On the point about intercepting the communications of Americans with foreign targets, what Greenwald fails to mention is the process of "minimization" employed by NSA in which analysts immediately remove that material.
Now, anyone who discusses this process without also mentioning minimization procedures is also either very uninformed or intentionally hyping the story. Minimization is a term of art in the world of NSA intercepts which essentially means stay out of American citizens business. If information about specific Americans (or even foreigners inside the United States) is captured, those details must be removed from all records and cannot be shared with any other entity in the government unless it is necessary to understand and interpret related foreign intelligence or to protect lives from criminal threats.
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-youll-be-reading-about-nsa.html
11:10 AM, JUNE 14 2013
PRISM Isnt Data Mining and Other Falsehoods in the N.S.A. Scandal
by Kurt Eichenwald
As for the purported secrecy of this programfolks havent been listening. Section 702 was widely debated and parsed through by the Congress before its adoption in 2008 (under the Bush administration). It was widely debated and parsed through by Congress before its re-authorization in December 2012 (under the Obama administration). Any supposed expert who feigns surprise here is, once again, either uninformed or hyping.
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Some explanation up front: I spent seven years investigating the national-security systems and policies established in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks for my book 500 Days. I learned a fair amount about the data-mining programs of the N.S.A. and wrote about it.I summarized those findings in my last post. However, now it has become obvious to me that I need to go further than I did in my book, at least in hopes of calming things down. When discussing errors, Im going to mention reports regarding news articles, but Im not going to identify themthe last thing I want is for this to become a back-and-forth between reporters.
First, the much-ballyhooed PRISM program is not a program and not a secret, and anyone who says it is should not be trusted because they dont know what theyre talking about. PRISM is the name for the government computer system that is used to handle the foreign-intelligence data collected under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/06/prism-isnt-data-mining-NSA-scandal
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Deception, Misdirection And Obfuscation All Around - A House Of Political Mirrors
cantbeserious
Aug 2013
#2
Info denied to Grayson by a committee 'voice vote' that the ranking member didn't know about
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#7
The same thing happened when Congress "approved" the so-called "Bill to go to War with Iraq" in 2002
Lugal Zaggesi
Aug 2013
#11
No member can be sent to prison for what they say on the floor of the House or Senate.
24601
Aug 2013
#45
Republicans are mainly ignorant nutjobs. But here's the 29 Democratic Senators dumb enough to vote
Lugal Zaggesi
Aug 2013
#43
Do we really need any more proof that the shadow government runs this country?
olddad56
Aug 2013
#35