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sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
6. Well...
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 09:34 AM
Aug 2013

WEDNESDAY, JULY 31, 2013
What you'll be reading about NSA surveillance tomorrow (updated)

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Secondly, the release of the 2 white papers on the metadata collection program is likely aimed at quelling the "Oh my, we didn't know!" coming from so many members of Congress lately. This article goes on to point out that the papers were given to the Intelligence Committees in both the House and Senate - who were then asked to provide them to all members of Congress in a classified setting. The message is that if they didn't know, they chose not to.

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The overall fact - as even Greenwald has to admit - is that in order to review this kind of information about US persons, they need a warrant.

Under US law, the NSA is required to obtain an individualized Fisa warrant only if the target of their surveillance is a 'US person', though no such warrant is required for intercepting the communications of Americans with foreign targets. But XKeyscore provides the technological capability, if not the legal authority, to target even US persons for extensive electronic surveillance without a warrant provided that some identifying information, such as their email or IP address, is known to the analyst.

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On the point about intercepting the communications of Americans with foreign targets, what Greenwald fails to mention is the process of "minimization" employed by NSA in which analysts immediately remove that material.

Now, anyone who discusses this process without also mentioning minimization procedures is also either very uninformed or intentionally hyping the story. Minimization is a term of art in the world of NSA intercepts which essentially means “stay out of American citizen’s business.” If information about specific Americans (or even foreigners inside the United States) is captured, those details must be removed from all records and cannot be shared with any other entity in the government unless it is necessary to understand and interpret related foreign intelligence or to protect lives from criminal threats.

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-youll-be-reading-about-nsa.html

11:10 AM, JUNE 14 2013
PRISM Isn’t Data Mining and Other Falsehoods in the N.S.A. “Scandal”
by Kurt Eichenwald

As for the purported secrecy of this program—folks haven’t been listening. Section 702 was widely debated and parsed through by the Congress before its adoption in 2008 (under the Bush administration). It was widely debated and parsed through by Congress before its re-authorization in December 2012 (under the Obama administration). Any supposed expert who feigns surprise here is, once again, either uninformed or hyping.


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Some explanation up front: I spent seven years investigating the national-security systems and policies established in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks for my book 500 Days. I learned a fair amount about the data-mining programs of the N.S.A. and wrote about it.I summarized those findings in my last post. However, now it has become obvious to me that I need to go further than I did in my book, at least in hopes of calming things down. When discussing errors, I’m going to mention “reports” regarding news articles, but I’m not going to identify them—the last thing I want is for this to become a back-and-forth between reporters.

First, the much-ballyhooed PRISM program is not a program and not a secret, and anyone who says it is should not be trusted because they don’t know what they’re talking about. PRISM is the name for the government computer system that is used to handle the foreign-intelligence data collected under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/06/prism-isnt-data-mining-NSA-scandal
"they are unable to obtain it" yet they repeatedly vote to authorize funding. PSPS Aug 2013 #1
^^^^THIS^^^^ valerief Aug 2013 #10
Do they? BlueStreak Aug 2013 #16
Deception, Misdirection And Obfuscation All Around - A House Of Political Mirrors cantbeserious Aug 2013 #2
The "War on Terror" has become a law unto itself. another_liberal Aug 2013 #3
2,605 Americans died on 9/11 Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #15
What you say is, sadly, quite true. another_liberal Aug 2013 #26
Thank you for using the correct number of "Americans" JackRiddler Aug 2013 #44
It is becoming obvious that elected officials do not control the USA ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #4
JFK tried to rein in the CIA and other spooks Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #17
Exactly ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #18
Then vote no continually until you get it and a yes is deserved, or noy on point Aug 2013 #5
Well... sheshe2 Aug 2013 #6
All that cut and paste for nothing PSPS Aug 2013 #20
Exactly. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #39
Another thing apologist Eichenwald is doing... JackRiddler Aug 2013 #40
Info denied to Grayson by a committee 'voice vote' that the ranking member didn't know about muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #7
grayson won't take the Kafka treatment as business as usual nashville_brook Aug 2013 #13
So they have been voting to fund this on basic information Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #8
Cue the Greenwald attackers. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #9
In a so-called Democracy Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #12
"there were seven Democrat Members and nine Republican Members in attendance" PSPS Aug 2013 #21
The same thing happened when Congress "approved" the so-called "Bill to go to War with Iraq" in 2002 Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #11
Bob Graham could have told other members of Congress soryang Aug 2013 #24
and he would have gone to prison Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #25
Read the Supreme Court decision in Gravel v US soryang Aug 2013 #31
No member can be sent to prison for what they say on the floor of the House or Senate. 24601 Aug 2013 #45
Yes, I realized that was probably true, later Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #46
I don't buy these excuses because I READ. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #41
Republicans are mainly ignorant nutjobs. But here's the 29 Democratic Senators dumb enough to vote Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #43
Where are the Greenwald attackers? Are they off on Sundays? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #14
I think last Sunday was #5 Sunday. PSPS Aug 2013 #22
Do tell Mr. Beck! SoapBox Aug 2013 #19
The disingenuous excuse for lack of oversight soryang Aug 2013 #23
Few members of Congress have the cajones of Bradley Manning Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #27
so the slides are printed and reprinted questionseverything Aug 2013 #29
Have you ever had access to classified information? soryang Aug 2013 #30
Yes, I have Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #32
Who cares you don't know the law on this subject soryang Aug 2013 #33
Then again Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #34
Congressional Whistleblowers?!? William deB. Mills Aug 2013 #28
Do we really need any more proof that the shadow government runs this country? olddad56 Aug 2013 #35
Any politically aware American ronnie624 Aug 2013 #36
Transparency! blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #37
Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #38
within 10 days of 9-11 Congress created a monster. bunch of knee-jerkers. Sunlei Aug 2013 #42
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