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Lugal Zaggesi

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11. The same thing happened when Congress "approved" the so-called "Bill to go to War with Iraq" in 2002
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 11:38 AM
Aug 2013

It is a MYTH that "everyone saw the same intelligence":

American Cons still pretend that "everyone agreed" Saddam was working on and had WMD's - because the White House presented the sexed-up intelligence to Congress, except for the 8 people in the House and Senate chairing the key committees (who saw more of the raw intelligence). Of those 8, the 4 Democrats voted AGAINST giving Bush the permission to build up the troops to "pressure Saddam to carry out UN Resolutions", as the vote in Congress was marketed.

See Senator Bob Graham of Florida's (Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee - one of those 4 Democrats that saw the Intelligence) memoirs - he urged his colleagues to vote against the Oct 11 2002 Resolution, but "national security" laws prevented him from telling what he learned from his privileged intelligence briefings. Many Senators and Representatives didn't want to believe a US President would lie to them on taking the country to war.


Sunday, November 20, 2005
In the past week President Bush has twice attacked Democrats for being hypocrites on the Iraq war. "More than 100 Democrats in the House and Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power," he said.

The president's attacks are outrageous. Yes, more than 100 Democrats voted to authorize him to take the nation to war. Most of them, though, like their Republican colleagues, did so in the legitimate belief that the president and his administration were truthful in their statements that Saddam Hussein was a gathering menace -- that if Hussein was not disarmed, the smoking gun would become a mushroom cloud.

The president has undermined trust. No longer will the members of Congress be entitled to accept his veracity. Caveat emptor has become the word. Every member of Congress is on his or her own to determine the truth.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802397.html
-- Senator Bob Graham



Bush and Cheney beefed up the "Unitary Presidency", and Obama is saying "thank you very much" as he uses it. Congress is becoming increasingly irrelevant - they haven't "Declared War" since WWII - the Presidents decide who we invade these days, and who we spy on. Congress is a clueless rubber-stamp in National Security matters.
"they are unable to obtain it" yet they repeatedly vote to authorize funding. PSPS Aug 2013 #1
^^^^THIS^^^^ valerief Aug 2013 #10
Do they? BlueStreak Aug 2013 #16
Deception, Misdirection And Obfuscation All Around - A House Of Political Mirrors cantbeserious Aug 2013 #2
The "War on Terror" has become a law unto itself. another_liberal Aug 2013 #3
2,605 Americans died on 9/11 Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #15
What you say is, sadly, quite true. another_liberal Aug 2013 #26
Thank you for using the correct number of "Americans" JackRiddler Aug 2013 #44
It is becoming obvious that elected officials do not control the USA ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #4
JFK tried to rein in the CIA and other spooks Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #17
Exactly ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #18
Then vote no continually until you get it and a yes is deserved, or noy on point Aug 2013 #5
Well... sheshe2 Aug 2013 #6
All that cut and paste for nothing PSPS Aug 2013 #20
Exactly. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #39
Another thing apologist Eichenwald is doing... JackRiddler Aug 2013 #40
Info denied to Grayson by a committee 'voice vote' that the ranking member didn't know about muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #7
grayson won't take the Kafka treatment as business as usual nashville_brook Aug 2013 #13
So they have been voting to fund this on basic information Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #8
Cue the Greenwald attackers. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #9
In a so-called Democracy Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #12
"there were seven Democrat Members and nine Republican Members in attendance" PSPS Aug 2013 #21
The same thing happened when Congress "approved" the so-called "Bill to go to War with Iraq" in 2002 Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #11
Bob Graham could have told other members of Congress soryang Aug 2013 #24
and he would have gone to prison Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #25
Read the Supreme Court decision in Gravel v US soryang Aug 2013 #31
No member can be sent to prison for what they say on the floor of the House or Senate. 24601 Aug 2013 #45
Yes, I realized that was probably true, later Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #46
I don't buy these excuses because I READ. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #41
Republicans are mainly ignorant nutjobs. But here's the 29 Democratic Senators dumb enough to vote Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #43
Where are the Greenwald attackers? Are they off on Sundays? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #14
I think last Sunday was #5 Sunday. PSPS Aug 2013 #22
Do tell Mr. Beck! SoapBox Aug 2013 #19
The disingenuous excuse for lack of oversight soryang Aug 2013 #23
Few members of Congress have the cajones of Bradley Manning Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #27
so the slides are printed and reprinted questionseverything Aug 2013 #29
Have you ever had access to classified information? soryang Aug 2013 #30
Yes, I have Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #32
Who cares you don't know the law on this subject soryang Aug 2013 #33
Then again Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #34
Congressional Whistleblowers?!? William deB. Mills Aug 2013 #28
Do we really need any more proof that the shadow government runs this country? olddad56 Aug 2013 #35
Any politically aware American ronnie624 Aug 2013 #36
Transparency! blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #37
Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #38
within 10 days of 9-11 Congress created a monster. bunch of knee-jerkers. Sunlei Aug 2013 #42
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