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In reply to the discussion: Members of Congress Denied Access to Basic Information About NSA [View all]PSPS
(13,601 posts)20. All that cut and paste for nothing
While the claim by congress that it had no idea this was happening may be false, the rest is just standard apologist boilerplate #1 and #10*.
..in order to review this kind of information about US persons, they need a warrant.
First, needing a warrant isn't the same as getting one. And these "secret" warrants, which nobody can claim to know anything about including Eichenwald, come "secretly" flying out of the "secret" FISA court like a broken candy machine.
Second, why is there information to review in the first place? There would be no information to review if it weren't being collected on a wholesale basis to begin with, and this is done without any warrants (or a pretend "secret" warrant from a "secret" court based on "secret" laws with "secret" interpretations. In other words, completely without any real legality.) This was reluctantly admitted by the NSA in its televised testimony about "going back to review" what they had already collected (or "take it off the shelf."
* Worshiper/Apologist Hit Parade:
1. This is nothing new
2. I have nothing to hide
3. What are you, a freeper?
4. But Obama is better than Christie/Romney/Bush/Hitler
5. Greenwald/Flaherty/Gillum/Apuzzo/Braun is a hack
6. We have red light cameras, so this is no big deal
7. Corporations have my data anyway
8. At least Obama is trying
9. This is just the media trying to take Obama down
10. It's a misunderstanding/you are confused
11. You're a racist
12. Nobody cares about this anyway / "unfounded fears"
13. I don't like Snowden, therefore we must disregard all of this
14. Other countries do it
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Deception, Misdirection And Obfuscation All Around - A House Of Political Mirrors
cantbeserious
Aug 2013
#2
Info denied to Grayson by a committee 'voice vote' that the ranking member didn't know about
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#7
The same thing happened when Congress "approved" the so-called "Bill to go to War with Iraq" in 2002
Lugal Zaggesi
Aug 2013
#11
No member can be sent to prison for what they say on the floor of the House or Senate.
24601
Aug 2013
#45
Republicans are mainly ignorant nutjobs. But here's the 29 Democratic Senators dumb enough to vote
Lugal Zaggesi
Aug 2013
#43
Do we really need any more proof that the shadow government runs this country?
olddad56
Aug 2013
#35