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inch4progress

(270 posts)
49. I don't really believe that terrorism is a racket, uh, at least not a government fear scheme
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 08:46 PM
Sep 2013

Our history isn't exactly kosher. U.S. corporations and past administrations have done a number on the third world. Whether it was the Banana republics, the Cold War, or even some seriously nasty things such as the two things mentioned below............... We have made a lot of enemies. Some of their hatred towards us is justified, others not so much. simply put, I wouldn't want to get caught alone in a dark alley with the grown child of a DEAD IRAQI CITIZEN THAT RESULTED FROM BUSHES ILLEGAL WAR! Or a member of Al Quaeda! Would you feel safe in that scenario?

Sorry: US Apologizes for Syphilis and Gonorrhea Experiments on Guatemalans
On Friday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius offered extensive apologies for actions taken by the U.S. Public Health Service.

"The sexually transmitted disease inoculation study conducted from 1946-1948 in Guatemala was clearly unethical," according to the joint statement from Clinton and Sebelius. "Although these events occurred more than 64 years ago, we are outraged that such reprehensible research could have occurred under the guise of public health. We deeply regret that it happened, and we apologize to all the individuals who were affected by such abhorrent research practices."

The apology was directed to Guatemala and to Hispanic residents of the United States, according to officials.

A telebriefing with Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health and Arturo Valenzuela, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Affairs is expected around 11 a.m. ET.

The episode raises inevitable comparisons to the infamous Tuskegee experiment, the Alabama study where hundreds of African-American men were told they were being treated for syphilis, but in fact were denied treatment. That U.S. government study lasted from 1932 until press reports revealed it in 1972.


Or this..............

I thought only Stalinists were guilty of equating a person with their ideology. But in a brown red shift, the libertarian editor has gone full tilt into pure ideological venom:

There are so many other nasty little things I plan to do against the communists and those who support them. Perhaps I'll keep Jim informed and he can report on my activities here at LR.

For now, off to my first assignment: Telling all my friends and family who voted for Obama to "fuck off, don't ever speak to me again you slimeball mother fuckers." Wish me luck!


So there we have it: libertarianism is reverting to hate speech, and hate speech is the precursor of hate crimes. I always thought there was something Pre-Hobbesian about an ideology which reduces everything to a binary authority/liberty axis, and makes the state the only threat to individuals.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/08/1159134/-Has-Libertarianism-become-the-refuge-of-illiberal-violent-authoritarian-xenophobes


As a democratic collectivist I find the last one to be particularly troubling. I hear people equate my ideology, and even less dramatic ideologies such as democratic-Socialism or even guided capitalism as equal to the ideology of hitler, and I hear this often. Hitler was a terrible man who deserved to die, I know that and they know that, so if thats how they see me do they think I also deserve to die? THESE PEOPLE ARE ARMED, SOME OF THEM WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPONS SOME WITH MILITARY STYLE SNIPER RIFLES!!! THIS SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME.

So yeah, I'd certainly feel more vulnerable if there was no security apparatus. HELL I DON'T EVEN FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT MY POLITICAL BELIEFS IN PUBLIC!

In America no one should feel that way! EVER!
Stop the paranoia and shut the whole corrupt agency down. RC Sep 2013 #1
I'm sure they have a private company or three that oversee's their work. nt adirondacker Sep 2013 #3
+1. I don't need to pay people to spy on me. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #29
There has to be a balance as well as an open conversation. inch4progress Sep 2013 #2
There was a balance Hydra Sep 2013 #6
I completely understand your anger, and feel it myself inch4progress Sep 2013 #8
May I remind you... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #9
Which is where the balance comes in. I have no liberty if I'm the victim of a terror attack, inch4progress Sep 2013 #10
The NSA is committing crimes. I don't care what the Supreme Court excuses with tricky JDPriestly Sep 2013 #13
Well said. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #28
YEP drynberg Sep 2013 #36
As Hydra points out in post #11... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #14
No offense, but the gov't is unwilling to protect you Hydra Sep 2013 #11
Then why would Obama mention such inflamatory things on television like..... inch4progress Sep 2013 #12
Leaders can "mention" anything, all day - every day... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #15
Yes, and if they have an agenda they would "mention" things to convince us inch4progress Sep 2013 #16
You don't have to assume anything. You can look at his actions. n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #19
His actions? He tried to appoint Warren and some other EXTREME LIBERALS! inch4progress Sep 2013 #20
You say, "I have to assume that Obama's agenda HAS MY INTERESTS AT HEART!"... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #22
Well you didn't address any of his LIBERAL APPOINTEES, EFFORTS TO RAISE TAXES ON UBER WEALTHY, inch4progress Sep 2013 #23
With respect... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #24
I didn't notice hypocrisy. People expect every aspect of our national security to be inch4progress Sep 2013 #27
OK - One more response to you... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #40
The hypocrisy that I see isn't the same that you see. inch4progress Sep 2013 #41
In other words... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #42
Essential liberty? I don't know what liberty I'm giving up? inch4progress Sep 2013 #43
Can we agree that our spooks should obey the law? Indi Guy Sep 2013 #44
I definitely agree.The laws need to be followed, by EVERYONE. inch4progress Sep 2013 #45
Well now I'm confused. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #46
It can be amended, and the constitution allows inch4progress Sep 2013 #47
Bypassing the Constitution is not the same as amending it, furthermore when every President Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #54
We have the patriot act which has withstood the constitutional courts inch4progress Sep 2013 #55
I was responding to your assertion that they just bypass the Constitution. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #56
What. The congress is bought our soldiers would never inch4progress Sep 2013 #57
The only people that lost faith in the Constitution were the slaveholders. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #58
If they keep their "core beliefs" they might as well write their epitaph now. inch4progress Sep 2013 #60
Abolitionism was an "ideal" which had its' roots in the 16th century and was gaining strength Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #61
Jefferson was a very intelligent Humanist, Glad you mentioned him:) inch4progress Sep 2013 #63
I agree with much of what you posted, however I see the U.S. and for that matter the world entering Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #64
Most of Obama's appointees are Republicans and corporate lobbyists. n/t cprise Sep 2013 #32
BAh, He attempted to appoint leftists.............Republicans would only allow corporate stooges. inch4progress Sep 2013 #34
Those are good questions Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #65
The NSA is the threat we are facing. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #30
You aren't concerned about radicalized armed Libertarians? Al quaeda? inch4progress Sep 2013 #50
Oh no, I'd feel so vulnerable if the NSA stopped! JackRiddler Sep 2013 #48
I don't really believe that terrorism is a racket, uh, at least not a government fear scheme inch4progress Sep 2013 #49
Thank you. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #52
'The NSA only found out about the misconduct after the employee confessed' jsr Sep 2013 #4
I'm sure the stalker had permission from FISA court. Vanje Sep 2013 #7
Yeah, real super sleuths, these guys, LOL grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #31
that's the crux of it Supersedeas Sep 2013 #62
The NSA is a blight to citizen's security. Vanje Sep 2013 #5
Your tax dollars at work. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #17
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #18
Gotta wonder... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #25
That's a good question. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #53
they only report abuses by EMPLOYEES of NSA here grasswire Sep 2013 #21
Good catch. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #37
Our heroes! Ash_F Sep 2013 #26
Well, I do believe this sentence needs to be repeated for the lie it is: tavalon Sep 2013 #33
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and THE CONSTITUTION IS THE LAW!... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #59
I remember reports of 'email hackings' of our top Gov. officials. Are some of these 1000s of NSA... Sunlei Sep 2013 #35
..this is probably a tiny fraction of what's going on..... Sancho Sep 2013 #38
There goes the "If you're not doing anything wrong" argument. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #39
Is it any surprise that scum who manipulate politics, manipulate their own relationships? Ash_F Sep 2013 #51
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