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60. If they keep their "core beliefs" they might as well write their epitaph now.

The only people that lost faith in the Constitution were the slaveholders.

Actually there wasn't a popular movement to elevate the status of African Americans in early America. Most of the Norths and Englands issue with slavery had little to do with actual subjugation. English and Northern capitalist were concerned about their profits and ability to compete with the free labor of the south. Many movies, documentaries tout Abraham Lincoln as some sort of Humanitarian, unfortunately we can see from the speeches below, that isn't entirely accurate.

I will say then that I am not, nor ever been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office. NOR TO INTERMARRY with white people and I will say in addition to this that THERE IS A PHYSICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WHITE AND BLACK RACES. Which I believe will FOREVER forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality and in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together. There must be the position of superior and inferior and I as much as any other man am IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE SUPERIOR POSITION ASSIGNED TO THE WHITE RACES"

Speech on August 21, 1859 at Ottawa, IL:

"I hold that a Negro is not and NEVER OUGHT TO BE A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES. I hold this government was made on the basis, by white men for the benefit of white men and their posterity FOREVER and SHOULD BE ADMINISTERED BY WHITE MEN AND NONE OTHERS."

He said this to Negroes at Washington D.C. on August 14,1862:

"Even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with white people on this broad continent not a single man of YOUR RACE IS MADE THE EQUAL OF A SINGLE MAN OF OURS. Go where you are treated the best. and THE BAN IS STILL UPON YOU…I cannot alter it if I would"

Sometimes shit happens.

Furthermore as I stated they don't have to kill, they can arrest, harass, ruin, blackmail, there are many tools in the bag.

Yes, and Kent state happened because of a conservative asshole who valued upholding the status quo over protecting life. The Constitution, being only a piece of paper, does not have the power of force to stop any of these atrocities. It is like any other piece of paper that can be easily ignored and disregarded when someone wishes to do so.

To this I have several questions.

1. How many people?

2. What if the people are divided?

3. What if the people decide that the 1st and 4th Amendments are gone today as well, are they gone?

Well it really depends. 1# Even if 80 percent of the country wishes to live under a different, more egalitarian set of principles, if the other 20% are radical libertarians with guns there is nothing to stop them, with the exception of presidential emergency powers that allow the president to put aside the constitution in order to restore order, from subjugating and massacring the 80% who wish(just for arguments sake) to be governed under the Declaration of Human Rights or some other Humanist principle.

2#I would absolutely love to see a referendum based system instituted on the national level. Unlike the way presidents are elected, the popular vote would be the sole vote that decides the outcome of the referendum.

3#I don't think the people would ever decide to fully abolish them. Rather it is likely that one day the people decide that the definition of free speech is different than what we think it is today. For instance today the KKK, Jerry Falwell, Rick Warren etc are protected by the 1st amendment and allowed to spread their hateful messages. Hopefully in the future people see this as not free speech, but hate speech and it would loose it's protection. Obviously most on this forum agree the messages of these men and groups are disgusting hate speech and have led to murders and violence here and abroad. In the future we might try to stop these men and groups, with the force of law, from influencing our children and propagating the hate that they are allowed to propagate today.

a Terkel on November 30, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Pastor Rick Warren The Ugandan parliament is currently considering an “Anti-Homosexuality Bill,” under which any person “convicted of gay sex is liable to life imprisonment.” If that person is HIV positive or has sex with a minor or a person with a disability, he or she would be guilty of “aggravated homosexuality” and face the death penalty. The bill also proposes up to three years of imprisonment for anyone who “fails to report within 24 hours the identities of everyone they know who is lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, or who supports human rights for people who are.” The bill would even “apply to Ugandans who commit homosexual offenses, but who live overseas.” There are approximately 500,000 gay men and women living in Uganda.

The author of the bill is Ugandan Parliamentarian David Bahati, who organizes the Ugandan National Prayer Breakfast and has been embraced by the far right in the United States. Journalist Jeff Sharlet, who has chronicled the secretive international fundamentalist Christian organization known as “The Family,” says that Bahati is “a core member” of the group, which has links to prominent U.S. politicians. In his book, Sharlet reveals the effects of some of The Family’s other work in Uganda (p. 328):

Uganda, which following the collapse of Siad Barre’s Somalia became the focus of the Family’s interests in the African Horn, has been the most tragic victim of their projection of American sexual anxieties. Following implementation of one of the continent’s only successful anti-AIDS program, President Yoweri Museveni, the Family’s key man in Africa, came under pressure from the United States to emphasize abstinence instead of condoms. … Meanwhile, Ugandan souls may be more “pure,” but their bodes are suffering; following the American intervention, the Ugandan AIDS rate, once dropping, nearly doubled.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/11/30/71429/warren-uganda/

Don't make the mistake of writing off the Republicans too easily.

1. They will work to undermine the vote to maintain power.

2. They control or have sympathy from the vast majority of the corporate media.

3. They have most of the nation's wealth behind them.

4. Decisions like Citizens United will make sure the financial floodgates are open promoting issues the Republicans support and Democrats oppose.

5. 2014 and 2016 are a long time from now especially in regards to politics.

Even if the Republican Party were destroyed which is unlikely, they would simply rebrand under another name, keeping the same core beliefs.

My brother is a Republican conservative. Recently he told me he believes "the people who CAN do more should, ya know the billionaire and millionaires", and I live in Pennsylvania lmao. The Republicans are dead, if I am wrong about this I will.................well I'll be disappointed lol. I don't think I am. Even my parents are disgusted with the pettiness of the Congress. I may have overestimated the result of their obstructiveness on the minds of Republicans, but, I am certain that going forward ,quickly or little by little, as our youth grow up Republicans won't be able to get into office if their campaign donations are coming from people their constituents know to be the ENEMY OF THE MIDDLE CLASS. I guess I'll just have to wait and see though.