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In reply to the discussion: Study: More Guns Lead To More Suicides [View all]askeptic
(478 posts)92. "Experts" say suicide is a complex issue
and I will doubt that you can find very many professional clinicians who will say that guns CAUSED the suicide, which is what you are implying. A simple statistical correlation does not mean that guns are the cause. Why are US suicide rates higher than many industrialized countries but lower than others? If guns are the "cause" then why do some countries with low gun ownership have higher suicide rates? You have to make real arguments - and it is those who make the claim (that it is causal) that have the responsibility to make the arguments. You have no right to sneer at those who do not agree that there is a sufficient causal effect established.
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'It is the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped
LanternWaste
Nov 2013
#108
You had enough time to make a douchy post to someone you consider a "gun apologist."
Lizzie Poppet
Nov 2013
#135
guns unlicensed without serious liability coverage in the hands of irresponsible
Tumbulu
Nov 2013
#156
First, you make predictions that have no basis in reality, then refer to yourself in the 3rd person.
cleanhippie
Nov 2013
#158
Jeeez, so your right to arm up trumps everyone elses' rights. Where have I heard that before?
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#35
Pretending the NRA is not a right-wing organization tells us everything we need to know.
DanTex
Nov 2013
#87
I linked to that study. It controlled for criminal history (i.e. arrest record).
DanTex
Nov 2013
#128
But it did control for criminal record, which is the correct thing to control for.
DanTex
Nov 2013
#130
No, the best way to investigate it is to ask about the legality of the gun being carried.
GreenStormCloud
Nov 2013
#132
I choose freedom from worrying about what other people are going to do with guns
treestar
Nov 2013
#153
Yup. Seems like we have to re-invent the wheel every decade. I'm sure people will say it ain't true.
freshwest
Nov 2013
#27
Statistics manipulated. Deaths increasing again since freak peak year just like global warming.
ErikJ
Nov 2013
#17
So do you think any gun control law will reduce suicides or is it purely a mental health issue
hack89
Nov 2013
#53
you agree with me that there's no single factor, yet you said in this thread there's only one
CreekDog
Nov 2013
#56
BS. With leaders like Grover Norquist, John Bolton, etc., NRA is pushing many right wing issues.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#77
And Roe v Wade is gone due to the most right-wing Supreme Court in generations .. oh wait
hack89
Nov 2013
#91
Congress has not given the CDC money to study gun deaths, plus the damage is lasting.
SunSeeker
Nov 2013
#104
If you're saying a gun in the house does not increase your risk of suicide, you're dead wrong.
SunSeeker
Nov 2013
#173
Lotsa data out there on why having a gun around your home is actually a lot more dangerous
go west young man
Nov 2013
#24
Another recent study they deny: "Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds"
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#80
I guess people can argue forever whether the increase in suicides is related to the increase in guns
olddad56
Nov 2013
#113