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In reply to the discussion: Judge says giant cross must be removed from San Diego mountain [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)131. Look, Ranchemp. I've got the same position on this as I did on the Palinesque opportunism when the
WW2 Memorial was closed in Washington, D.C. by the parks department because under the shutdown, LIFE SAVING work had to get priority.
Instead, the RWers made a mockery of what the veterans LIVED AND DIED FOR. They did not do what they did for a memorial, cold dead stone, or even glory in death.
They didn't want to die, the dead get no comfort from this. And our grieving their death will never bring them back. They wanted to come home and LIVE in a country free of Nazism and fascism, to protect YOU AND ME.
We've talked before and you know my father's service work. He was lucky to survive and come home. Being the service, like many other veterans, was NOT what he signed up for. It was for what would come later. Unfortunately, your father never got to enjoy that. A cemetary cannot replace that loss.
The real memorial to these men is this nation, not some place where blowhards use their deaths for political advantage while manipulating hearts of many for their own profits.
When the Palin Poutrage was going on I was furious. Not at the memorial being closed. I was furious at the focus on the dead, as if they were more important the living. She and the rest of the lying cabal she is associated with, only went for her own glory.
NOT ONE SINGLE WORD for active service members and their families losing their food stamps, losing their homes, cars and being evicted because the jobs they contracted to do for all of us were not paying during the shutdown. And they were being overworked and stressed by the sequester.
That was all the doing of Palin's party, and she did not speak for the LIVING. My father, I said at the time, would have been mad that these traitors want to take our government apart. Not that a memorial was closed by the same people. That people were losing their livelihood due to the big money Palin represents.
Your father and mine were not foolish people. They did not fall for media claptrap. They were men who wanted to get things done. They would have seen the injustice of what has been going on and not allowed it.
Your father does not know about this memorial. I don't know what his religious beliefs were, but in my family we had all types and we didn't let any of it except the Golden Rule affect us. My father would not have gotten into a lather over this memorial being changed or a cross taken down.
Your father is not being hurt by this. Don't hold onto to a fantasy of what you think is harmful to him when it is not. This is just another media story. Seek comfort and meaning in what your father sought for you, not a graveyard.
JHMO.
Instead, the RWers made a mockery of what the veterans LIVED AND DIED FOR. They did not do what they did for a memorial, cold dead stone, or even glory in death.
They didn't want to die, the dead get no comfort from this. And our grieving their death will never bring them back. They wanted to come home and LIVE in a country free of Nazism and fascism, to protect YOU AND ME.
We've talked before and you know my father's service work. He was lucky to survive and come home. Being the service, like many other veterans, was NOT what he signed up for. It was for what would come later. Unfortunately, your father never got to enjoy that. A cemetary cannot replace that loss.
The real memorial to these men is this nation, not some place where blowhards use their deaths for political advantage while manipulating hearts of many for their own profits.
When the Palin Poutrage was going on I was furious. Not at the memorial being closed. I was furious at the focus on the dead, as if they were more important the living. She and the rest of the lying cabal she is associated with, only went for her own glory.
NOT ONE SINGLE WORD for active service members and their families losing their food stamps, losing their homes, cars and being evicted because the jobs they contracted to do for all of us were not paying during the shutdown. And they were being overworked and stressed by the sequester.
That was all the doing of Palin's party, and she did not speak for the LIVING. My father, I said at the time, would have been mad that these traitors want to take our government apart. Not that a memorial was closed by the same people. That people were losing their livelihood due to the big money Palin represents.
Your father and mine were not foolish people. They did not fall for media claptrap. They were men who wanted to get things done. They would have seen the injustice of what has been going on and not allowed it.
Your father does not know about this memorial. I don't know what his religious beliefs were, but in my family we had all types and we didn't let any of it except the Golden Rule affect us. My father would not have gotten into a lather over this memorial being changed or a cross taken down.
Your father is not being hurt by this. Don't hold onto to a fantasy of what you think is harmful to him when it is not. This is just another media story. Seek comfort and meaning in what your father sought for you, not a graveyard.
JHMO.
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Good. I think we should start a fundraiser to sponsor installation of giant FSM statue
idwiyo
Dec 2013
#2
Our Constitution now applies to a religious symbol in another nation? What is going on here?
jwirr
Dec 2013
#4
Sorry I was thinking about the statue in South America. I am 72 years old - and wrong some of the
jwirr
Dec 2013
#51
Dynamite it in place and use the scrap to make Darwin Fish trunk medallions. nt
Demo_Chris
Dec 2013
#6
Actually, no. It became a Korean War Memorial back in 1989/1990. It was an Easter Cross in 1954.
haele
Dec 2013
#71
CNN - the OP's wrong. The Korean War Memorial was added to the base of the cross.
haele
Dec 2013
#108
An issue so asinine that only the asinine would "fight any effort to remove it...."?
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#80
Actually, in this case, I think you're the target of the "too bad", regardless of your petulance
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#125
When it DOES come down, I want a turn swinging the sledge hammer, just to piss YOU off.
Ian David
Dec 2013
#95
Because it's a giant religious symbol on public land and implies an official imprimatur. n/t
Ian David
Dec 2013
#93
I want this put up to honor all the muslims that have died in service to our country.
neverforget
Dec 2013
#141
It's an urgent issue to those fighting an implicit government endorsement of a religion.
maxsolomon
Dec 2013
#53
at one time, vast majority of americans didn't give a shit if negroes could vote
frylock
Dec 2013
#79
Not all of your father's buddies were chrisTians. And not all of the taxpayers paying for that land.
Ian David
Dec 2013
#65
I can only imagine that many other people too, pretend to themselves they are clever enough to know
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#82
Look, Ranchemp. I've got the same position on this as I did on the Palinesque opportunism when the
freshwest
Dec 2013
#131
Actually, word from long-term La Jollans is that it was originally put up to mark a covenant area.
haele
Dec 2013
#64
Apparently it was not, you are wrong. I thought you were sworn to defend the Constitution.
Hoyt
Dec 2013
#110
Again, it was erected as an "Easter Cross", not a War Memorial. That was put in around 1990.
haele
Dec 2013
#114
Nope, because all other faiths have their symbols too - Pagans have the Pentagram, Asatru have
Hestia
Dec 2013
#133
At least be honest and accurate-- in memorium for dead vets if for no other reason.
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#127
Why couldn't they just add a little to the design so it's not a cross anymore?
Kablooie
Dec 2013
#15
I say cut off the the right and left part of the cross and name it "Our Festivus Pole"
BlueJazz
Dec 2013
#16
I'm so tired of all the Festivus believers trying to push Festivus on the Rest of Us.
olddad56
Dec 2013
#21
Wow, that giant is really, really happy to see you and/or pummel you with a stick
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#25
It is so cool how y'all rechalk it every 7 years (correct?)! Now *that's* history
Hestia
Dec 2013
#134
Seems like a technical violation of the second commandment, doesn't it?
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#26
If Jesus had arrived in 1950's America....would Christians be walking around with tiny...
PassingFair
Dec 2013
#129
There will be a war within the FOX "News" audience as well. Some vets for, some vets against.
kelliekat44
Dec 2013
#43
Great Result! Those decades of effort will now feed, clothe, and shelter thousands!
onehandle
Dec 2013
#34
We had a similar controversy with the old tall cross on Skinner's butte near the center of Eugene...
Nika
Dec 2013
#59
Simultaneously, a subtle victory in preventing one additional step in allowing religious law to run
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#88
""jumping the shark" ring a bell to you?" Yes-- your posts now that you mention it.
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#128