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117. I will NOT stop bringing the TPP into this

Sat Jan 25, 2014, 06:38 PM

Jan 2014

It's highly relevant to the point I'm making.

That point, specifically, is that having laws against something is not sufficient reason to condemn an action, when those laws are systematically selectively applied. Also, when the laws are being made to benefit one group at the detriment of another group - the TPP laws will benefit corporations at the expense of regular people - there is no longer a moral reason to follow those laws. Furthermore, continuing to play by the rules while the rules are not being changed to be more fair, and are in fact being changed to be more UNfair, makes it immoral to keep following them. That perpetuates and supports an unfair system.

I made no comments about what you, personally are doing. I merely argued the point that you seem to be making is immoral. You may find my moral "loathsome" (which is personal) and either you don't understand the point I'm making or you think it's right to support an unfair system or the unfair application of a system. Then you're just one more person I have to fight in order to change said unfair system.

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BREAKING: 3 killed at Maryland mall [View all] charlie and algernon Jan 2014 OP

Oh cripes, another one LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #1

Maryland? yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #5

I get it, but this is not the time. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #6

Sorry yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #8

Why so many shootings - over 20 shot in Baltimore City already now Columbia Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #24

I have too yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #43

It's a nation of 300 million people CFLDem Jan 2014 #125

This is not the time to be pissed that people disobey the law? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #69

It is not about people or laws, it all about gunz. hack89 Jan 2014 #73

Well, I think it is the time to be pissed no matter what. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #76

Excellent time to be pissed. Nt hack89 Jan 2014 #81

It's time to get acclimated to the new normal. Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #115

When is the time? Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #91

Crazy people aren't stopped by signs, unfortunately LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #7

Crazy people will not be stopped by metal detectors. former9thward Jan 2014 #48

Hope So otohara Jan 2014 #101

I think they break the laws to promote gun ownership personally. glinda Jan 2014 #11

I totally agree…the thrill isn't just in killing, it is in hopes of getting their way. Tikki Jan 2014 #19

Same reason they are killing wolves, etc.... glinda Jan 2014 #146

A sign isn't going to Keefer Jan 2014 #13

What the fuck are you on DU for? dbackjon Jan 2014 #45

Why should "the little people" obey the law? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #62

Well said! Many horrific travesties go on each day by the monied and RKP5637 Jan 2014 #64

And by playing accoring to the rules mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #82

It's immoral to follow the law? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #72

By following the law mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #80

You are 100% wrong. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #86

The TPP has everything to do with this post mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #104

I as an individual person am not allowing any of this to keep happening. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #112

I will NOT stop bringing the TPP into this mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #117

The TPP won't change the fact OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #120

Let me take each of these in turn... mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #126

I will. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #135

"To quote you" mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #139

Gun Free Zones, and their ilk, ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #78

i don't understand shireen Jan 2014 #138

Sadly, shotguns are much more easily concealed than most people realize onenote Jan 2014 #156

I doubt somebody who isn't concerned about the laws regarding murder magical thyme Jan 2014 #140

From WRC-NBC4 DC LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #2

I'm starting to wonder if this isn't copy cat actions based on media attention. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #3

Maybe. The cynic in me sees these as possible planned diversions to valerief Jan 2014 #10

I just hate how the media focuses on the killer. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #15

I quite agree. Ours is a celebrity culture, and Anything qualifies. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #54

So you're blaming President Obama...classy brooklynite Jan 2014 #33

Alex Jones bullshit. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #53

"Possible planned diversions to keep the other stuff out of the headlines"? red dog 1 Jan 2014 #58

That's "aliens are in charge of the government" crazy you're peddling there muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #94

Why would they? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #110

It certainly 2naSalit Jan 2014 #4

But aren't you billh58 Jan 2014 #14

Actually 2naSalit Jan 2014 #35

I should have billh58 Jan 2014 #41

CNN now saying 3 are dead charlie and algernon Jan 2014 #9

Msnbc says 3 dead. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #12

Hey America, HAD ENOUGH YET????? calimary Jan 2014 #16

"The suspect was found dead near a gun an ammunition, police said." LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #17

Damn, this is getting to be a daily event. Yet another WTF. I often wonder if this RKP5637 Jan 2014 #18

No place is safe spinbaby Jan 2014 #55

Just another day in America. Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #20

the practical question that remains unanswered is, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2014 #21

I think we need to assume the open carry activist is a crazed gunman Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #23

Excellent comment. There is no way to tell. GoneOffShore Jan 2014 #29

Awful beyond words ...AGAIN. This one hits home too abq e streeter Jan 2014 #22

In order to guarantee a well-regulated militia and countless homicidal maniacs? Divernan Jan 2014 #25

Maybe it needs to be rewritten to encompass the homicidal maniacs Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #47

The expected NRA response... durablend Jan 2014 #26

Maryland has very strict gun laws bluestateguy Jan 2014 #27

LOL. tabasco Jan 2014 #31

This is true, some states may have some common sense regulation but no state is very restrictive Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #37

And while MD has very strict laws bluestateguy Jan 2014 #122

It is true that VA and WV have more lenient laws but it is easy to legally get guns in all 50 states Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #124

I hope no Holy Guns were hurt jpak Jan 2014 #28

The well-regulated militia strikes again! tabasco Jan 2014 #30

If this keeps up LiberalElite Jan 2014 #32

that would make barbtries Jan 2014 #97

We must start a national discourse godevil10 Jan 2014 #34

Other countries seem to be able to deal with guns the USA cannot Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #40

The right-wing NRA billh58 Jan 2014 #46

Well stated! red dog 1 Jan 2014 #65

I'm sorry.. cilla4progress Jan 2014 #66

The right wing terrorist organization mus tbe stopped Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #137

Bullshit. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #145

We cannot just put guns on the table. godevil10 Jan 2014 #92

While we can talk about everything, we can not pretend that all factors are equal Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #42

Yes and behind those guns that murder in this fashion is godevil10 Jan 2014 #95

That violent person killed because they got their hands on a gun Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #102

That violent person killed because godevil10 Jan 2014 #105

Okay, let's assume that billh58 Jan 2014 #109

Bill, I for one would be willing to discuss any and all possible remedies. godevil10 Jan 2014 #148

You are, of course, correct billh58 Jan 2014 #152

Yes. We must obfuscate the gun violence issue Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #51

Look, I don't believe for one minute godevil10 Jan 2014 #98

Okay. Obfuscation. Crunchy Frog Jan 2014 #100

Yes by all means let's not spend any godevil10 Jan 2014 #106

MSNBC: One dead person found near gun, ammunition brooklynite Jan 2014 #36

The strict gun law in Maryland means nothing when you have surrounding states that Lint Head Jan 2014 #38

Well said n/t brentspeak Jan 2014 #49

shooter is probably a teabagger AngryAmish Jan 2014 #39

best post ever sweetapogee Jan 2014 #153

Do you still think that? onenote Jan 2014 #154

Another day, another mass killing in America.. workinclasszero Jan 2014 #44

My sister's FB post: HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #50

This country is descending into madness. yuiyoshida Jan 2014 #77

This is what we have accepted. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #52

Yup gotta water that liberty tree workinclasszero Jan 2014 #150

But there hasn't been a single gun shooting at a school today (yet). BlueStreak Jan 2014 #56

Cue Gundamenralists saying it wasn't the gun in 5. . .4. . .3. . .2. . .1. . . Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #57

Gun culture taking a break from shooting up schools. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #59

well it is the weekend after all pothos Jan 2014 #61

Time for Retail and mall lobby to battle the NRA. ErikJ Jan 2014 #60

Excellent point. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #75

The only firearms Walmart and K-Mart sell are rifles, sked14 Jan 2014 #83

So? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #89

We don't have a mall in this city that is anchored by a Walmart. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #87

Your city isn't "every city" OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #93

Let me rephrase it (my post makes quite a bit of sense). ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #96

Yes, you know all about malls. Not. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #103

Never said I did. I stick by my original statement. It's an oddity, not a regular thing. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #107

You keep saying you're going to end the conversation, then you keep responding. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #111

We have a WalMart smack dab in the middle of the local mall.(suburban Pittsburgh) Divernan Jan 2014 #119

sounds like *another* public suicide Sunlei Jan 2014 #63

If only everyone was packing these things wouldn't happen doc03 Jan 2014 #67

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K&R...Thanks for posting. red dog 1 Jan 2014 #68

UPDATE: 4 others injured including one shot in foot NBC4 DC LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #70

Too close to home. Husband called at 11:50am to tell me he was fine (at work at mall complex) Neurotica Jan 2014 #71

Appears the weapon was a shotgun hack89 Jan 2014 #74

I have a friend who lives one mile from there. Lasher Jan 2014 #79

Good Lord shenmue Jan 2014 #84

Domestic dispute seveneyes Jan 2014 #85

Mass shootings - as American as apple pie! Dash87 Jan 2014 #88

Good grief Aerows Jan 2014 #99

No, actually you do not... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #128

Uh, sure Aerows Jan 2014 #133

It really does not matter where you or I fall on the issue... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #142

The answer is more guns. Everyone should carry a gun. Beacool Jan 2014 #108

Might help with the unemployment problem. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #113

Child labor? Beacool Jan 2014 #123

Try reading my post again. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #129

I know what you meant. Beacool Jan 2014 #131

OK, good! OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #136

We are on the same page. Beacool Jan 2014 #143

Another UPDATE: 2 victims worked in the mall LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #114

Sounds like a jealous lover targeted his ex and new lover seveneyes Jan 2014 #116

It was a domestic situation and the guy who was jilted got even warrant46 Jan 2014 #130

Edited. Apparently there's an update. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #132

Brianna Benlolo, 21, of College Park, Md warrant46 Jan 2014 #134

Do you have a link to back that up? onenote Jan 2014 #155

Instead of fire drills, employers/schools can have effing-crazy-gun-nut drills. Divernan Jan 2014 #118

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har har so funny Skittles Jan 2014 #141

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #144

I was there just a couple of weeks ago. DCBob Jan 2014 #127

You know, crim son Jan 2014 #147

well you are wrong Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #151

Some final thoughs to go along with my other comments on this. godevil10 Jan 2014 #149