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In reply to the discussion: Ukraine Violence Spreads: At Least One Killed in Odessa Riots [View all]Igel
(35,300 posts)Latest reports I've read say 43 dead. Some of them were pro-Ukrainian protesters shot on the street; there are plenty of copies of the picture of the guy on the roof shooting. There are other pictures of pro-Russians with handguns on the street.
That leaves fewer than 40 dead that could be pro-Russian.
Of those fewer than 40 dead, 20 were "foreigners" on the pro-Russian side--15 were Russian citizens and 5 were from TransDniestria. They died in the trade union building fire. That's hardly a random or representative sample, but is far more than enough to say that the confrontation was organized as a result of outside influence and manipulation.
First group hurt:
Pro-Ukrainian folk + soccer fans
Next group consisted over just half non-Ukrainian citizens, leaving a bit fewer than half Ukrainian pro-Russian supporters.
Note to self: When visiting another country, stay out of organizing large-scale violent protests.
It's worth noting that the pro-Russian group originated at the "antiMaidan" camp set up at the trade union building. (For all the ranting about how only the EuroMaidan is still in existence, the antiMaidans in various cities are also still set up. The "Ukrainian" unity + soccer thugs raided the antiMaidan in Odessa and burned their tents after the street shootings and prior to the trade union fire.)