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In reply to the discussion: United States Assessment of the Downing of Flight MH17 and its Aftermath [View all]JVS
(61,935 posts)14. Kyiv is Ukrainian, Kiev is the Russian spelling.
Technically Киïв vs Киев
Similarly Luhansk is Ukrainian, Lugansk is Russian.
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Bosonic
Jul 2014
OP
I assume Kyiv is Kiev- does the spelling change have a political component? thanks. nt
ellenrr
Jul 2014
#1
Is that like the government assessment on Syria, but done this time by the embassy ?
jakeXT
Jul 2014
#4
Either way, it looks again like an assessment without the normal use of US intelligence
jakeXT
Jul 2014
#9
Possible, of course, since many remnants in the "Intel Consensus" were Cheney's picks...
Amonester
Jul 2014
#12
Bush probably didn't have the votes to go into Afghanistan on 9/9 or 9/10, after 9/11 he did
jakeXT
Jul 2014
#20
Thanks for the US' Report, Bosonic. The putin protectors will sniff because it's not RT but hey
Cha
Jul 2014
#6
I really wonder why "leftists" insist on siding with Russia so much nowadays
Marksman_91
Jul 2014
#21
Or I agree that the Ukrainian Rebels shot down this plane, but Putin the greatest threat no....
happyslug
Jul 2014
#54
According to FlightAware, MH17 was not, in fact, diverted at all (or very little):
Amonester
Jul 2014
#24
Although 100 miles is not 200 kilometers, who's lying here? FlightAware? Or...
Amonester
Jul 2014
#27
I was using my eyes to calculate, NYT is using flightradar24 without dates in their maps /nt
jakeXT
Jul 2014
#28
Will an independent inquiry ever shed light on all of this awfully barbaric act? N/T
Amonester
Jul 2014
#29
So I guess that I used it in the wrong context, your post is basically correct?
IronGate
Jul 2014
#36
Looks like the barbaric rebels had the big guns, but nothing to ID their targets
Amonester
Jul 2014
#33
Do not bother much with this guy, hair on fire all the time, hostility is all he has.
Fred Sanders
Jul 2014
#48
Who said Russia gave them these missiles? They are also used by the Ukrainian Army
happyslug
Jul 2014
#57
The area is controlled by the rebels, not the Ukrainian army. And the Ukrainian army
pnwmom
Jul 2014
#58
You are ignoring the fact that the missiles were shot from an area controlled by the rebels,
pnwmom
Jul 2014
#61
I accept the fact the Rebels fired the missiles, but that was NOT the question being debated.
happyslug
Jul 2014
#62
There is the evidence of the missile systems that were photographed going over the
pnwmom
Jul 2014
#63
Unlike you, I don't assume Obama is lying about that. I trust him more than Putin. n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2014
#65
Only the terminally brain dead think the separatists knew it was a passenger jet. nt
EmilyAnne
Jul 2014
#55
Really? I was under the impression that there had been a change in Administrations.
brooklynite
Jul 2014
#59
me too, until..... we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan, and starving granny, while escalating war...
grahamhgreen
Jul 2014
#67