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pampango

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7. Ukraine spends 1.1% of GDP on its military. Russia - 5%. Income inequalty in Ukraine is like Sweden.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:52 AM
Aug 2014

In Russia it is almost as bad as in the US.

While it is true that Russia has a draft, I do not think it will go over well in Ukraine. If a foreign country were attacking them that would be one thing, but a draft to fight in a civil war would only work if the populace supported the cause. Heck, there were draft riots in the North during our civil war.

Poland fought hard against hopeless odds in 1939 against Germany and the USSR. (The USSR said it was going into Poland to protect ethnic Russians stranded in a country with a disintegrating government subject to fascism.) I don't doubt that Ukrainians will fight as hard as the Poles did if some line is crossed. I don't know where that line is and I know that if Putin wants Ukraine (or some part of it), he will have it. No one will stop him militarily.

The "genuine popular uprising at the Maidan" shows there are things they care deeply about and are willing to face imposing odds to fight for. It remains to be seen what vision for Ukraine they care deeply enough about to face the imposing odds in the east.

Hope your comment proves correct Dems to Win Aug 2014 #1
This will not sit well with the vast number of folk who do not want their sons fighting for a regime Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3
I'll second that hope that you're right. I see Petro ballyhoo Aug 2014 #2
Wow, amazing to see how many on DU are excited about an expansionist Russia. 7962 Aug 2014 #4
What's "amazing" is your power of misinterpretation. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #5
Obviously They HAVE been making progress otherwise Russia wouldnt be invading openly. 7962 Aug 2014 #9
Oy vey. "Russia invading openly." If Russia were invading openly, Kiev would VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #10
Yes, keep "hoping" for a more aggressive Russia. What threat to Europe has Ukraine been? 7962 Aug 2014 #11
I'm anti-fascist. Why do you support neo-Nazis (Right Sector) and fascists (Svoboda)? VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #12
Have you read the definition of fascism and applied to Putin. pampango Aug 2014 #15
Thank you for that. very well said. 7962 Aug 2014 #21
So you advocating for an aggressive US/EU response Union Scribe Aug 2014 #13
Back in 1989-90, IIRC, then Secretary of State James Baker promised his VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #17
Listen to Putins speech from today. If that doesnt tell you where we are, nothing will 7962 Aug 2014 #22
So the last ones drafted for the Army thought they would get out in October jakeXT Aug 2014 #6
Ukraine spends 1.1% of GDP on its military. Russia - 5%. Income inequalty in Ukraine is like Sweden. pampango Aug 2014 #7
Military budget and income inequality JackRiddler Aug 2014 #8
I read that Ukraine's president asked for a 50% increase in defense spending - to 1.7% of GDP. pampango Aug 2014 #14
Indirectly this illustrates how ridiculous... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #16
Ahh yes, the 'coup'. The world's first "I'm leaving because I want to" 'coup'. pampango Aug 2014 #18
Truly a selective history. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #19
As is yours. Though I appreciate you not defending the "I'm leaving because I want to" coup. pampango Aug 2014 #20
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