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Thor_MN

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21. What I am saying is the 21 foot rule has nothing to do with gunning down a person with a knife
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 08:00 PM
Oct 2014

The 21 foot rule is about not closing the distance to someone a LEO is approaching. It is not a justification for shooting someone with a knife.

They may or may not have followed the rule, but it seems likely. For another person to come between them and the guy with the knife, they would have had to have decent separation.

At the point where it becomes apparent that you have someone with a knife, and there is decent separation, the 21 foot rule is no longer relevant, as there is no longer any surprise involved. As soon as they knew the guy had a knife they should, and apparently did draw their weapons. What we can't know, unless there is a recording, is how much time elapsed between "put down the knife" yelled by probably multiple people shouting over each other and the first shot.

I didn't see if there were any claims that knife man Francisco Carvajal, made a move towards them, the story seemed to me more about justifying the killing of person they did not intend to shoot. It did not say what happened to Carvajal, so I assume that he is still living. For them to kill someone other than who they intended to shoot and some how non lethally resolve the situation with the the guy holding the knife is a paradox. My initial read also missed that the police force first tried to claim that Laureano had died from stabbing wounds, which was a total fabrication.

The bullet that hit the hit the other guy was certainly not stray and demonstrates that the officer that fired it was not as aware of their surroundings as they should have been. The officers shooting became so tunnel visioned on the man with the knife that they lost control of the scene.

Insane cops. nt valerief Oct 2014 #1
Well said, nothing else to define this... no text Stuart G Oct 2014 #2
Wait for more details beemer27 Oct 2014 #3
I watched that and saw why my Father kept his leather mail bag when the Post office phased them out happyslug Oct 2014 #9
Except that the video assumes a hidden knife and unexpected attack. Thor_MN Oct 2014 #12
The unexpected happened beemer27 Oct 2014 #20
What I am saying is the 21 foot rule has nothing to do with gunning down a person with a knife Thor_MN Oct 2014 #21
It is a knife??????????? Why shoot a gun? Agalbraith Oct 2014 #4
You are drawing the wrong conclusion from the studies. Thor_MN Oct 2014 #13
Odd phrasing, "stray bullet". ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #5
Sort of a "we had to destroy the village to save it." The cops brought guns to a knife fight. marble falls Oct 2014 #6
Ooooohhh doggie, can't wait to shoot my new gun, heh heh heh Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #7
How do you suggest the police respond to someone with a knife? NickB79 Oct 2014 #8
By looking at what they are aiming at? Ash_F Oct 2014 #10
That's reasonable NickB79 Oct 2014 #15
There are hand-to-hand techniques to disarm. sakabatou Oct 2014 #11
Which no reasonable person would expect them to employ NickB79 Oct 2014 #16
Knives at least sakabatou Oct 2014 #17
Actually, they're significantly easier to fight hand to hand. sir pball Oct 2014 #18
Yes, there's always the possibility of a cut or stab sakabatou Oct 2014 #19
I'm ususally the last person to defend the police. christx30 Oct 2014 #14
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