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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
26. I know four people who are on all three.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM
Dec 2020

One in South Carolina only uses TriCare for glasses because she's not near a facility, so she relies more on Medicare and Medicaid, and my Grandfather juggles some health care locally with Medicare and Medicaid, and has some procedures at the VA hospital an hour's drive away.

One basis for the funding mechanism for Medicare is that the vast majority of those funding it are not eligible to use the services. That would change if everyone was put on it.

So your claim, "We can afford" to move everyone, based on this 40% number, to it isn't quite accurate or based in an understanding of how Medicare and Medicaid are funded. You state that you aren't an economist, and you make declarations on complex economic issues based on "it seems..." and "a personal belief." It's important to understand what you don't understand.

Medicaid is primarily administered at the state level, much like Canada, so the affordability and access to care of it varies widely. The vast majority of countries with universal health coverage do not use single payer, but a hybrid of payers and administrators, usually involving some involvement by private non-governmental entities.

Much of the savings involves cost controls, and it's much easier to hold down costs over a period of 75 years than it is to cut them to get to that rate in 4 years despite the promises of politicians running for office. One cost is the negotiation process for insurance companies to determine their discount.

One example of cost cutting is Maryland's "one price for everyone" las that requires hospitals and providers to charge one price to everyone - large pools, Medicare, small pools and individuals, eliminating the expense of negotiating. That has brought down prices without harming health care delivery.

"I am not an economist but it seems that much of the savings comes from cutting out the middleman, insurance companies." "It is my personal belief that it can be done without raising taxes on the lower or middle class and not a large increase on the upper class."


Every country with universal health care coverage utilizes private entities to provide some health care cost administration. They are heavily regulated, however, they are government contractors used when the government does not think they can perform that function efficiently. Canada relies on private companies, as does Medicare does to administer dental and other insurance coverage. Canada also didn't go single payer federally until all the provinces had done so independently, which took decades. Then in the 60's, a very liberal government added a federal layer to make it portable, but they were still tweaking and updating it in the 80's. That's not going to happen here, as the failures of Vermont, Colorado and California to implement their own single payer has shown. It's still run primarily at the province level, and not at the federal level like Medicare, or the proposed Medicare for All - and doesn't cover nearly the services that M4A promises to, and they still pay around 10% of their income on out of pocket health expenses. Promises and opinions always work perfectly until they are put into action.

Health care reform is far more complicated than some politicians would have you believe, especially when they are running for office. This explains it better:

https://khn.org/news/democrats-unite-but-what-happened-to-medicare-for-all/

No wonder 'some' don't like her. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #1
I read the article and didn't find the cost,just that it was less than m4a questionseverything Dec 2020 #3
I can look for it. The article is an overview of her visions & policies... Budi Dec 2020 #7
In general, allowing the private insurance industry to oporate questionseverything Dec 2020 #11
+++++++++++ not fooled Dec 2020 #14
Currently the "private insurance industry" administrates a good part of Medicare.... George II Dec 2020 #17
In nearly all countries with universal health care, private insurance companies play a part. ehrnst Dec 2020 #19
Yup. This is what NT's been doing while others were campaigning for the Primary & General Budi Dec 2020 #4
Thank you, Budi, for Neera Tandan's Cha Dec 2020 #2
Yup. She's been dedicated to fine tuning the Health Care issue for a long time. Budi Dec 2020 #5
Great! I just know & like her Cha Dec 2020 #6
Me too. Her bio is quite a story as well. Budi Dec 2020 #8
"Another stong smart woman of the Biden/Harris family." Cha Dec 2020 #12
Repugs are already saying, gab13by13 Dec 2020 #9
Of course they are & they come with a whole list of reasons which actually make them sound like the Budi Dec 2020 #10
No wonder they're scared shitless of her. LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #13
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2020 #15
K&R brer cat Dec 2020 #16
K&R Gothmog Dec 2020 #18
There are 145 million people on Medicare, Medicaid, or VA healthcare. marie999 Dec 2020 #20
That's what the ACA, when fully implemented has always had as a goal. ehrnst Dec 2020 #21
We have a county program in Onslow County, NC. I know people who can't get Medicaid marie999 Dec 2020 #22
So you're talking about local free clinics, and individual hospital charity, not a system. ehrnst Dec 2020 #24
I used Statista for Medicare 61 million and Medicaid 75 million, and the VA Healthcare 9 million. marie999 Dec 2020 #25
I know four people who are on all three. ehrnst Dec 2020 #26
K&R betsuni Dec 2020 #23
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