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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
77. Relevant information that should be pointed out:
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:19 AM
Jul 2016

I agree with you that pointing out history is the way to discuss.

There are a few more things on that awful amendment that should be pointed out as well:
1. Then Governor Kaine didn't sign the Amendment into law (is intimated up above). He signed SB526 for the amendment to be put on the November Ballot. This Bill submitted by the Virginia legislature was absolutely, 100% veto-proof. Up to the point that SB526 was voted and placed before him, he'd stated that he would veto it and worked against it. This energized the heavily Republican legislature against him to make certain the bill was veto proof.
2. The bill, as written was one the worst and most awful bill ever written to date with regards to LGBT marriage rights. It took the additional steps of disenfranchising alternative legal methods that couples could use. It nullified medical power of attorney, living wills, last wills, DNR orders in any situation where the Dr., or attorneys felt that the documents were drawn up in a manner to simulate marriage rights.. REALLY horrendous bill.
3. As bad as that language was, if Governor Kaine had gone ahead and Vetoed the bill, knowing that the numbers were there for a Veto Override, it would have empowered the state legislature to change the language and make it even worse. That threat was there.
4. Even though he did sign and put it on the ballot, Governor Kaine DID actively campaign against the measure all the way up to the November election where the people of Virginia passed it by 59% making it a ratified amendment.

Even as a gay man myself, in a marriage that I'm proud is finally legally recognized by my country, I have to say back then, had I been in Governor Kaine's seat.. I'd have signed SB526 as well in that environment.

I won't criticize those who have issue with Kaine for his part in amendment either. Much as I do think he did what he had to do, it is still his signature on an awful document that is definitely on the wrong side of history. I do think they should look at the whole picture and consider the environment of the time though.

We're counting on you, guys! forest444 Jul 2016 #1
Hillary Clinton Tweet: L. Coyote Jul 2016 #2
Hillary en español: L. Coyote Jul 2016 #4
As Governor Kaine signed into law the Marshall-Newman Amendment, which defined Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #12
Your point? George II Jul 2016 #33
Suit yourself. Vote for Trump out of spite. kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #34
OK Craig234 Jul 2016 #64
I'm 66 and I'm not the man today i was when I was 40... heresAthingdotcom Jul 2016 #70
I don't view Tim Kaine as raising a question about who to vote for Craig234 Jul 2016 #73
Relevant information that should be pointed out: Amimnoch Jul 2016 #77
Thanks for that very helpful history Craig234 Jul 2016 #78
LGBT and gender issues heresAthingdotcom Jul 2016 #72
A GREAT GUY FOR WOMEN PER CECILE RICHARDS!! ancianita Jul 2016 #17
Is she Ann's daughter? nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #60
Yes. ancianita Jul 2016 #61
That's good enough for me awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #62
Oh, I know. I know. ancianita Jul 2016 #63
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You keep forgetting... yallerdawg Jul 2016 #7
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I wouldn't go that far, GoCubsGo Jul 2016 #8
We will just have to work a little harder... The Far Left Jul 2016 #20
Again, I would not go that far. GoCubsGo Jul 2016 #22
I have no idea how Clinton and Kaine see most Americans. nt The Far Left Jul 2016 #24
Well, then I don't understand why you felt compelled to give that reply to my comment. GoCubsGo Jul 2016 #25
The feeling is mutual. nt The Far Left Jul 2016 #26
Enjoy your stay. kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #35
Thank You ☺ The Far Left Jul 2016 #44
I'm "Far Left" too, but Will Morningstar Jul 2016 #45
A lot of voters are going to shift to this ticket for a variety of reasons. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #36
Kaine and Lieberman BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #42
I already did. GoCubsGo Jul 2016 #68
LOL, I LOVE the power BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #76
Biden was BY FAR the best choice for Obama in 08. liberalnarb Jul 2016 #59
Yep. I wasn't so sure at first. GoCubsGo Jul 2016 #69
Agreed. LS_Editor Jul 2016 #13
Excellent!! underpants Jul 2016 #6
And now I feel iamthebandfanman Jul 2016 #9
Either support the ticket or risk being alerted for violating the rules. ENOUGH! RBInMaine Jul 2016 #30
That's too bad. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #10
Kaine is so anti-gay that the Human Rights Campaign endorsed him immediately. baldguy Jul 2016 #47
There is much Anti-Jew, Anti-Gay, Anti-Black sentiment Will Morningstar Jul 2016 #48
Stop calling values "purity test" Craig234 Jul 2016 #65
Woo Hoo. jalan48 Jul 2016 #11
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UN GRAN MOMENTO! Tenemos mucha suerte tener una gran opción ! ancianita Jul 2016 #15
i Juntos se puede ! nt MADem Jul 2016 #31
MEJOR JUNTOS! ancianita Jul 2016 #32
Yessssirrrree,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2016 #16
He's better than DWS. nt The Far Left Jul 2016 #46
I love it when people from a winning campaign tell over 40% of the party, 'screw you' Craig234 Jul 2016 #66
stupid choice............. mrmpa Jul 2016 #18
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #19
That "supporter" probably wasn't going to vote for Clinton regardless of the VP choice. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #21
I'm getting this from several Bernie supporters gwheezie Jul 2016 #27
Lose one, gain one hundred. Works for me and the party. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #37
How many voters would she have NOT gotten in exchange for your friend? Moonwalk Jul 2016 #40
Good points, but people want change. The Far Left Jul 2016 #49
Yes, good points, but yours are too. To answer your questions, Will Morningstar Jul 2016 #53
Alas, no. WE want change...but PEOPLE for the most part don't want change.... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #54
Wise, wise, wise, and wise. I may be the new kid on the block, but Will Morningstar Jul 2016 #56
Just to add, many here have said Warren is better off as a senator... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #55
Not a friend............ mrmpa Jul 2016 #58
I'm sure he's a democrat, but there are, disturbingly, registered democrats who would rather.... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #67
Well - he is no BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #43
Any Bernie supporter who will not vote for Hillary TNNurse Jul 2016 #57
I voted for Bernie in the primary, but always knew I'd support the Democratic nominee. SCRUBDASHRUB Jul 2016 #74
A big money choice SHRED Jul 2016 #23
Thanks Earl still_one Jul 2016 #28
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jul 2016 #29
They're counting on us guys! We let them down, we let the future of America down ffr Jul 2016 #38
Damn...... Another cocktail sir. Gorgatron Jul 2016 #39
K&R! stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #41
K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #50
our next president and vice-president, america will not go down the road of fascism... beachbum bob Jul 2016 #51
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2016 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #71
I'm with them. nt TeamPooka Jul 2016 #75
Finally got around to watching his VP announcement speech in Florida Martin Eden Jul 2016 #79
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