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panfluteman

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5. Yeah, yeah, yeah - The Same Tired Arguments Against Astrology
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 01:15 AM
Nov 2019

The one truth that remains is that those who condemn astrology or say they don't believe in it haven't really studied it. Just some basic study under a competent professional astrologer with an open mind would convince them that there is something to this ancient science. I'm not against modern science, and don't accept that a belief in astrology exclusively negates an acceptance of modern science. Astrology and modern science are good for different things; astrology is more holistic and metaphysical, whereas modern science is more reductionistic and physical.

The data that scientific skeptics used to "disprove" astrology and the findings of Michel Gaugelin was falsified by the scientific skeptics. The one who received and tabulated the data resigned in protest, claiming that astrology had won fair and square.

What the presenter presents as what she has been told was her sign not actually being her sign is about equinoctial precession and the difference between the sidereal zodiac, which is used in Hindu Vedic Astrology, and the tropical zodiac, which is used in Western astrology, as well as ancient Greek or Hellenistic Astrology. Many astrologers use both systems, finding that each excels at different things. Simply put, the sidereal zodiac is a lunar / stellar frame of reference, whereas the tropical zodiac is a solar frame of reference. This is simply a misleading argument used to confuse people and smear astrology.

I had an astrology teacher once who said that astrology is disbelieved in by fundamentalists, both religious and scientific - and yes, there are scientific fundamentalists just as there are religious ones. The scientific fundamentalism starts when science becomes a belief system. Another name for scientific fundamentalism is scientism.

Why Astrology Isn't Real Science [View all] Quixote1818 Nov 2019 OP
I'm an Aries with Capricorn rising. This perhaps explains my disdain for astrology. Beakybird Nov 2019 #1
She is right on the money! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2019 #2
Astrology is not science, but it has a historical relationship to science. Lionel Mandrake Nov 2019 #3
astrology's right up there with alchemy eShirl Nov 2019 #8
It's several notches down from even alchemy Major Nikon Nov 2019 #14
Astrology is a science, but it is a different kind of science than reductionistic modern science. panfluteman Nov 2019 #16
Astrology is a pseudoscience Major Nikon Nov 2019 #23
As an astrologer, you have a vested interest in this nonsense. Lionel Mandrake Nov 2019 #28
Here's another huge problem with Americans PJMcK Nov 2019 #4
And That Daily Horoscope Column Is Not Worth the Paper It is Printed On. panfluteman Nov 2019 #17
when are you going to update scarytomcat Nov 2019 #25
Yeah, yeah, yeah - The Same Tired Arguments Against Astrology panfluteman Nov 2019 #5
honestly, it sounds more like a religion than a science eShirl Nov 2019 #9
Yeah, yeah the same tired arguments trying to validate another pseudoscience Major Nikon Nov 2019 #12
Every time astrology is called on to provide actual (gasp) EVIDENCE... Archae Nov 2019 #15
The OP details several of those failures Major Nikon Nov 2019 #18
Twins courtjester Nov 2019 #6
Donald Trump Horoscope: What His Astrology Chart Reveals dalton99a Nov 2019 #7
That so-called astrologer has a veneer of astrological knowledge, but most of it is BS panfluteman Nov 2019 #19
Oh Yeah - and Another Thing About Trump's Uranus panfluteman Nov 2019 #22
That it has to be even explained is crazy Woodwizard Nov 2019 #10
Pseudoscience will always have adherents Major Nikon Nov 2019 #13
Not calling my practice a science bobnicewander Nov 2019 #11
Umm, astrology isn't "real" science because it isn't real science. 'Nuff said. Nitram Nov 2019 #20
People like bullshit that "explains" everything. Archae Nov 2019 #21
At least you didn't include homeopathy Major Nikon Nov 2019 #24
Many people look for certainty in an uncertain world dlk Nov 2019 #26
Carl Sagan said it so well... Thunderbeast Nov 2019 #27
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