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sab390

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Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:59 PM Dec 2016

Should I stay or should I go? [View all]

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I think there should be a separation of terms. Anarchists should say they are Anarchists, Communists that they are Communists and leave the term Socialist to another group. To me the separation is in the belief in the laws of Economics. To Anarchists and Communists economics is learned behavior. Marx got this from the Anarchists. Marx replaced the first law of economics “whenever two people are present sacristy exists” with “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs”. This was a direct and purposeful refutation of economics. He thought the 7 factors of production should be reduced to 4. Instead of the laws of supply and demand he wanted central planning. Communism is a specific system, Anarchism is sort of an anti-system, but there is a thing called Socialism that is separate. To me Socialists still believe that the laws of economics but hold that it produces bad effects. The founding document of Socialism to me is the Bevridge report of 1942. It puts forward a set of ideas that define the ills of the laws of economics and sets out a path to overcome them. To me Economics is a science no different from physics. You can use physics to build a bridge that works or that fails. You can use economics to build a society that works or fails. A socialist law would say if stock is such a good incentive for CEOs why not for workers. Pass a law that every worker should get at least $15 dollars and one share of stock for every hour. I am not a Socialist, I’m a Democrat but I like that law. And I am sick and tired of the media labeling anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan a Socialist. If you believe that economics is learned behavior say you’re a Communist, if not you might be a Socialist. Or worse, a Democrat like me.

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The first step to improving this country The Polack MSgt Dec 2016 #1
It wasn't the intent sab390 Dec 2016 #4
I'm fine with your definitions The Polack MSgt Dec 2016 #5
Or that Science MFM008 Dec 2016 #2
I am a host in this group, and I like to keep it ecumenical, as it were. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #3
That's because I mangled it sab390 Dec 2016 #6
Thank you! Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #7
Thoughts about your post. PETRUS Dec 2016 #8
I also am open to debate/discuss sab390 Jan 2017 #9
Thanks for the reply. PETRUS Jan 2017 #10
A partial response sab390 Jan 2017 #11
... PETRUS Jan 2017 #12
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