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RainDog

(28,784 posts)
4. episode six guessing game
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 02:04 AM
Feb 2014

...even if I'm the only one playing. lol.

okay, now that Pizzolato talked about the story as a referential and meta-story within a story (using the Carcosa story as the basis, which, others have noted, was a riff on Ambrose Bierce long ago. via wiki:

"An Inhabitant of Carcosa" (also printed as part of “Can Such Things Be?” in the San Francisco Newsletter of December 25, 1886)[1] is a short story by 19th-century journalist, short-story writer and occasional horror-story author, Ambrose Bierce.
The story concerns a man from the ancient city of Carcosa who awakens from a sickness-induced sleep to find himself lost in an unfamiliar wilderness.

Carcosa was subsequently borrowed by Robert W. Chambers as the setting of his fictional play, The King in Yellow, and features heavily in many of the stories in the book of the same name. These concepts were further expanded upon by H. P. Lovecraft in his Cthulhu Mythos stories.

The influence of Bierce's short story is still felt today as modern authors continue to contribute to the Cthulhu Mythos. The story is told in first-person narrative, and includes a rather interesting footnote at the end.

Synopsis of Bierce's story

A man from the city of Carcosa, contemplating the words of the philosopher "Hali" concerning the nature of death, wanders through an unfamiliar wilderness. He knows not how he came there, but recalls that he was sick in bed. He worries that he has wandered out of doors in a state of insensibility. He calms himself as he surveys his surroundings. He is aware that it is cold, though he does not exactly feel cold. He comes across a lynx, an owl, and a strange man dressed in skins and carrying a torch. For the first time, the man becomes aware that it must be night, though he can see as clear as day. Exploring further, he discovers a copse that was evidently a graveyard of several centuries past. Looking at the stones that once marked graves, he sees his name, the date of his birth, and the date of his death. He then realizes that he is dead, and is amidst the ruins of the "ancient and famous city of Carcosa." A footnote at the end of the story states, "Such are the facts imparted to the medium Bayrolles by the spirit Hoseib Alar Robardin."


I don't think this story is meant to be a supernatural horror story - I think the writer made it clear the horror is existential - even if the pov of Coehle, no matter what he says as his perception, includes the other part of existential thought, which is this: the meaning of life is the meaning you give it and that's expressed in the way you live... i.e. we're all gonna die, so live life in the best way possible till then because it takes courage, some times, to do so.

But I think Bierce's version of the story gets to the meta narrative of Coehle talking about his existence as a character in a story - and the audience listening in. When LeDoux said "He sees you" - was he talking about the audience viewing what was about to happen, or, both that idea and the idea that the Yellow King had surveillance at the ranch and knows what actually happened?

...which could be used against Hart or Coehle if any further investigations were to take place, esp. after they had hero welcomes after the fact. If someone had been taping the event, that, too, could be a situation in which their interaction takes place over and over and over, same kids, etc. as Coehle noted.

Then there's The King in Yellow, from Robert Chambers. That book, like this season of TD, takes place over different time periods (and with different characters. The thing that unites them is the play within these stories, which is another play about The Yellow King. No one is supposed to be able to read the thing without going mad - over decades, in different countries and cities. I wonder if this will be the overarching set for TD beyond this season?

Hart's daughter, who repeated his actions, with variations, herself, and his repetition of his f-i-l's pov as Hart gets older and cranky about the generation coming up - and his reaction extends to violence against his daughter for being as sexually reckless as he was - which someone wrote about before - his reaction to his daughter is another example of his double standards. She's in the next ep, too, and, my guess is that she runs away after he goes after another boyfriend. Maybe she winds up as another victim - or maybe she just disappears and he never knows otherwise.

Hart's wife, Maggie, is back, too. I wonder if Hart got jealous again when Maggie just never quite wants to be with him, even if she tried. Maybe she flirts with Coehle and Hart thinks his partner is really trying to "mow the lawn" and that causes their breakup. If that's what happened, that could lead to speculation that Marty is trying to set up Rust to take the fall. But that seems too convoluted, maybe. More likely, they will resolve their past differences because of their loyalty to one another, in that meta tropie buddy cop kinda way with a splash of nihilism and bitters.



refining my guesses RainDog Feb 2014 #1
Coehle's storage shed RainDog Feb 2014 #2
I just caught up yesterday so will respond to specific episodes below Goblinmonger Feb 2014 #21
Bottle or on tap? RainDog Feb 2014 #22
I'm a sucker for a good tap lager Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Mar 2014 #27
Excellent tv Sienna86 Feb 2014 #3
Must see TV... mimi85 Feb 2014 #5
episode six guessing game RainDog Feb 2014 #4
Excellent analysis mimi85 Feb 2014 #6
I don't know either RainDog Feb 2014 #7
This show is soooo much deeper than I expected! I'm loving it! Silver Gaia Feb 2014 #8
Those are great RainDog Feb 2014 #9
Links to online speculation RainDog Feb 2014 #10
I binged the first five episodes of this mesmerizing series last night. LonePirate Feb 2014 #11
Dark Was the Night RainDog Feb 2014 #12
Maggie! (6 spoilers) RainDog Feb 2014 #13
ep 7 guesses/maybe spoilers RainDog Feb 2014 #14
Great analysis! liberalmuse Feb 2014 #15
thanks for the kind words RainDog Feb 2014 #16
I think your analysis... liberalmuse Feb 2014 #17
I LOVE what you have to say RainDog Feb 2014 #18
Just have to say mimi85 Feb 2014 #19
that's so sweet of you RainDog Feb 2014 #20
Links to online discussion RainDog Feb 2014 #23
The King in Yellow is available for free RainDog Feb 2014 #24
Beth is such a bad girl she broke the fourth wall RainDog Feb 2014 #25
Can't wait! mimi85 Mar 2014 #28
sigh RainDog Mar 2014 #29
I'm out of guesses RainDog Mar 2014 #30
Honestly.. I'm going to have to find a way to rewatch the series after it ends... hlthe2b Mar 2014 #31
LOL RainDog Mar 2014 #32
Have you read this? hlthe2b Mar 2014 #33
I have now... RainDog Mar 2014 #34
ReLenting RainDog Mar 2014 #35
I can't quit you, TD babe RainDog Mar 2014 #38
Paraphilic Love Map of True Detective online RainDog Mar 2014 #36
Geeshie Wiley - Last Kind Words RainDog Mar 2014 #37
I can barely wait to see the finale tonight (Sunday night)! Tx4obama Mar 2014 #39
I See a Darkness RainDog Mar 2014 #40
The mystery was a counterpoint RainDog Mar 2014 #41
hmmmm RainDog Mar 2014 #42
I don't know... I sort of agree with the DB writer (who wrote the earlier article I posted upstream) hlthe2b Mar 2014 #43
I agree with Alyssa Rosenberg RainDog Mar 2014 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Mar 2014 #45
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