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spin

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11. I see your point but ...
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:54 PM
Apr 2013

Several states such as Texas and Florida keep records on crime committed by those who have carry permits.

Florida has had "shall issue" concealed carry since October of 1987. In that nearly 26 year period of time it has issued 2,400,338 concealed weapons permits of which 1,052,716 are currently valid. A total of 7,436 licenses have been revoked for a variety of reasons, but only 168 have been revoked because of a crime committed after the license was issued that involved the use of a firearm.
(Ref: http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.pdf)

The statistics from Texas show similar results and can be viewed at: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm

But of course the Florida statistic I used only involves the criminal misuse of a firearm by a permit holder. To my knowledge no statistics have been gathered that show how many times a person with a carry permit has shot another person in legitimate self defense. What I have read shows that occasionally a person does shoot an attacker who intends to inflict serious injury or to kill, but more frequently the attacker breaks off his attack and runs when he finds himself facing an armed honest citizen. I personally know of several instances where a co-worker of mine faced an individual armed with a knife or a tire iron and the fact that he was armed stopped an attack. Still this is only anecdotal evidence and I will admit that I was not present to witness the incident.

The national media very willing to publicize any incident in which a person with a carry permit wrongly shoots another as shown by the Zimmerman/ Martin shooting. It's rare to read of a story in which an individual with a carry permit legitimately shoots another person except in the local news. However if a person with a carry permit has an accidental discharge in public it often gains national attention. Usually they manage to shoot themselves, destroy a toilet or a ricochet injures a bystander. This is fairly rare and usually is the result of what you call a "bubba" not using a holster, not using a proper quality holster designed for the handgun or simply foolishly playing with the weapon. Well trained police officers seem to have more accidents with their firearms than do people with concealed carry licenses who have had firearms safety training. To be fair to the police, they carry their weapons on a daily basis while many people with carry permits do so infrequently. In any significantly large group of people, you will always find a few fools.

The statistics that I have found seem to show that there is very little to sweep under the rug. Overall it does appear that the overwhelming majority of those with carry permits handle their weapons in a responsible and safe manner.







Gun-free dining in Tennesee [View all] Tanuki Apr 2013 OP
Long list is interesting. Even includes groups like American Legion. Wish these restaurants luck. Hoyt Apr 2013 #1
It may go the same course as smoking BlueStreak Apr 2013 #2
While there have been incidents in which a person with a carry permit had an accidental discharge .. spin Apr 2013 #4
I wonder about that. Before Sandy Hook, we really didn't see all that many reports BlueStreak Apr 2013 #10
I see your point but ... spin Apr 2013 #11
What percentage of shooting do you think actually get into that database? BlueStreak Apr 2013 #15
I see no problem with this but I refuse to do business with any establishment ... spin Apr 2013 #3
Gee, I try to stay out of establishments that make me feel a need to carry, rather then leave it in firenewt Apr 2013 #5
The problem is rarely the establishment. ... spin Apr 2013 #6
Very good points - may have to reconsider when and where I carry. Hasn't been an issue in recent firenewt Apr 2013 #8
not so fast daybranch Apr 2013 #9
Long ago in a martial arts class I learned some wisdom. ... spin Apr 2013 #12
Paranoia reigns daybranch Apr 2013 #7
I have no problem with whatever requirements you choose to impose on your customers. ... spin Apr 2013 #13
You seem to be leaving the alcohol factor out of your equation. Tanuki Apr 2013 #14
First I have personal experience of the tragedy that mixing alcohol with handing a firearm can ... spin Apr 2013 #16
I would be grateful Control-Z May 2013 #22
I would have absolutely no problem with that. ... spin May 2013 #23
You are not going to convince anyone Control-Z May 2013 #24
Statistics do not back your assertion up. ... spin May 2013 #25
Pfft. (nt) Control-Z May 2013 #26
Who is afraid to go there? Travis_0004 May 2013 #27
What's out of sight is out of mind. ... spin May 2013 #28
This is the useful crap our legislators do during a recession... 4_TN_TITANS Apr 2013 #17
Looks like we should lobby the Restaurant Association southerncrone Apr 2013 #18
Wow GradETSU May 2013 #19
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #20
What part is crazy? Control-Z May 2013 #21
Trolling in Tennessee Tanuki May 2013 #29
I live in a small town Go Vols Jun 2013 #30
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