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Denzil_DC

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18. Well, Labour currently has plenty of members, thanks to Corbyn.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 10:45 PM
Feb 2017

More than it knows what to do with, apparently. But it seems they're the wrong sort of members as far as some are concerned!

I don't know about making membership free. The party apparatus needs funding, and if it doesn't get it from the grassroots, you can imagine where it'll have to be found. We have an ongoing barely spoken-about scandal at the moment of the likes of deputy leader Tom Watson's funding from shady sources - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/22/tom-watson-given-500k-in-donations-by-max-mosley-in-past-year - and he's not alone. We don't want to go even further down the American route. The Tory cabinet is rife with dirty money that could sink our NHS, among other things.

I usually only briefly read comments sections on articles like the ones linked above for the lulz, but I was quite taken with this one (it's a reader comment so I don't think the four-paragraph rule applies, but if I'm wrong, hosts/mods, I'll edit it down):

LeftOrRightSameShite {in reply to} georges1

...

People do like the policies of Corbyn/Labour but, only when they don't know they are attached to Corbyn/Labour.

"Nearly half (45%) of people surveyed by YouGov said they want the government to increase public spending and raise taxes for the wealthiest people - both of which are policies called for by Labour.

Only 13% supported the current levels of cuts taking place under the Conservative Government, and 22% thought the cuts should continue but be scaled back.

Yet, when asked directly which party they think has the best policies on spending and taxation, 30% said the Tories while 16% said Labour."

From earlier YouGov polling, they found strong support for renationalisation of the railways (around 60+%, even 42% of Tories support it). Strong support for 75% tax on income over 1m (56%). Strong support for a convention banning nuclear weapons (64%). Strong support for rent controls (56%). Mandatory living wage (59%). Scrap tuition fees (49% support, 31% oppose). The majority also support Corbyn's view on intervention in the ME (Iraq and Syria in particular).
Huff Po 2016

Indy 2015
Unfortunately, the media, particularly early on when he was first elected, went on a full on assault of Corbyn. Again, backed up by study/content analysis.

The LSE content analysis showed consistent bias against, misrepresentation of, undermining and character assassination of character of Jeremy Corbyn going far beyond what would be considered a "watch dog" role of the media. Not unprecedented but not seen since the 70's.

The Media Reform Coalitions study showed 75% of stories about Corbyn antagonistic, undermining etc, to a degree not seen for decades.

Fuelled by this media frenzy, members of the PLP itself sought to join the undermining - the Progress/Blair wing for the most part.

This has clearly severely damaged the party and public perception of it. Of course, it's the media that (mis) informs people. They aren't going to hold their hands up and go "sorry, went a bit far. We got it wrong". Their narrative is set now and, public opinion with it.

Corbyn isn't blameless but the fact is, he never had, and was never going to be given, a chance.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/24/stoke-copeland-labour-remain-richmond-copeland-ukip#comment-93773876
k & r n/t TubbersUK Feb 2017 #1
The guy just keeps on lying SwissTony Feb 2017 #2
Didn't take long.... T_i_B Feb 2017 #3
He seems to be a truly pathological liar... LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #4
Nuttall. Nutter. Same thing. nt mwooldri Feb 2017 #5
Hopefully this will destroy his chances in the by-election. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #6
Two Ukip chairmen in Merseyside quit over Hillsborough row muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #7
This is why anti-Corbyn efforts should have stopped for at least the duration of the by-elections Ken Burch Feb 2017 #8
Hate was beaten in Stoke Ken Burch Feb 2017 #9
Nuttall didn't lose because he's a bigot T_i_B Feb 2017 #10
No they lost because the people of that district did not feel comfortable with Corbyn. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #11
If they want Corbyn out, his opponents in the party should stop trying to dispossess his supporters. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #12
Well I think the party should be an open party in terms of who can run but Corbyn is not hrmjustin Feb 2017 #13
The Labour Party bureaucracy suspended or expelled over 125,000 people Ken Burch Feb 2017 #14
From what I understand only a few hundred thousand people voted in the leadership race. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #15
Then it should hold an internal party election. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #16
I agree the labour party needs reform. They need to expand party membership and it should be free. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #17
Well, Labour currently has plenty of members, thanks to Corbyn. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #18
You make a good point about the money. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #19
IMO, the problem with our politics for far too long Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #20
Too bad the first minister of Scotland could not be the PM of the UK. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #21
Yeah, well ... Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #22
Rest well! hrmjustin Feb 2017 #23
We don't have an American style system in this country.... T_i_B Feb 2017 #24
12 pounds a year, with concessions (though they'd like you to pay more) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #26
Shouldn't that information be in a more prominent place on the website? T_i_B Feb 2017 #27
Those FAQs are on the same 'Join' drop-down from the site home page as 'Join Us' is muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #28
I agree that it's a lot more basic than left/right positioning T_i_B Feb 2017 #25
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