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creon

(1,183 posts)
29. I think
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jun 2016

I think that AAs POCs are already in the left. It is the working class whites who have to join the left. The whites on the left - those in the echo chambers - don't really recognize that non whites are the true leaders of the left.
You have to get beyond white privilege and recognize the real drivers of the process. They are non whites, gays etc.

The white working class is hard to reach; and, many of them vote GOP.

That is a source of the failure of Sanders; he is from the 1968 era of the New left ; he appealed to white working and lower middle class younger people. I think that he was just being blind to reality.

the left ( socialists, etc) has always had a problem with pragmatic reformers such as PBO and Clinton. They have a doctrinal problem; and, a practical problem. if liberal reforms work and people are satisfied, the left will have its' ground cut out from under them.

Socialsim, by emphasizing class conflict, gives other conflicts short shrift.

Let's talk about the "left" online media. [View all] forjusticethunders Jun 2016 OP
K&R Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #1
100% correct turbosteve Jun 2016 #2
You hit the nail on the head. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #3
Great post. ⬆⬆⬆ EVERYONE, READ THIS OP! ⬆⬆⬆ NurseJackie Jun 2016 #4
They (the far left) have used the internet pretty successfully BootinUp Jun 2016 #5
I personally think Bernie beats Trump in a landslide too forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #7
I agree creon Jun 2016 #26
What an excellent post! skylucy Jun 2016 #6
Agree! SharonClark Jun 2016 #8
Soooo true. And so well put. ucrdem Jun 2016 #9
yeah the words "controlled opposition" forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #10
the Progressive Entertainment Complex, epistemic closure geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11
Off to the Greatest page Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #12
My conversion was in 2000 with George W Bush ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #13
Something I always say is that I learned the price of ideological purity on 9/11 sweetloukillbot Jun 2016 #43
Thank you for an excellent post! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #14
Thank you! mcar Jun 2016 #15
Sounds like you are describing something like a "FOX of the Left" Her Sister Jun 2016 #16
I've been calling them the profiteering left for a long time.. what was the name of Cha Jun 2016 #17
Hey Cha, blue neen Jun 2016 #18
Mahalo, blue neen! That was it.. I use to call her and greenwald.. greenham.. for all Cha Jun 2016 #19
Amen to that, Cha! blue neen Jun 2016 #20
Ah yes.. leftbaggers & the teabaggers.. anything to take down Obamacare.. that's only Cha Jun 2016 #21
Not only was she besties with Norquist, but she was trying to sell the idea of joining forces with BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #23
110% correct and an enthusiastic KNR! This is exactly how my evolution began back in 2004 BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #22
CommonDreams is just...I dunno, "completely unhinged" would be an understatement Tarc Jun 2016 #24
1968 creon Jun 2016 #25
There has to be a way though to include AAs, POCs and working class whites into the left brush Jun 2016 #28
I think creon Jun 2016 #29
Good stuff. Your last sentence sums it up well. brush Jun 2016 #30
Build on that creon Jun 2016 #31
In past years I would go to "Common Dreams", Counter Punch" and "Alternet" . . . brush Jun 2016 #39
The left creon Jun 2016 #41
It's not neccesarily the case that it HAS to be that. forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #33
That is so. creon Jun 2016 #35
I think Sanders "cares" in a sense but forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #36
I understand. creon Jun 2016 #38
K&R!!! redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #27
I understand... JSup Jun 2016 #32
Sensationalism creon Jun 2016 #42
HA Goodman... IS Despicable justMYcause Jun 2016 #34
The online left creon Jun 2016 #37
This discussion in the thread is awesome. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #40
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