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caseymoz

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Sun May 20, 2012, 07:33 PM May 2012

I believe porn isn't really a feminist issue. [View all]


It's an issue between people with a high sex drives versus people with low sex drives. This includes the debate about the sex industry in general.

Evidence? Not all feminists are anti-sex. Pro-sex are usually treated by others of the ideology with contempt. Also, many males are also vehemently opposed to porn. More and more women are watching porn, and the difference seeming to be a matter of the ease at which females can feel sympathetic pleasure from watching sex and the ability to reach orgasm. The sales of sex toys, I've heard, now outpaces the sales of iPhones, so it looks like porn is going to gain more female subscribers.

Opposition to porn cuts across genders and ideologies. There are plenty of non-feminist who are as anti-sex as the worst feminists. Though not a lot of Christians would say they're pro-porn or pro-sex industry, there are definitely those who don't consider it a social priority, or who indulge in the sin of it, and ask God's forgiveness, and don't judge others who look at porn. Among the Jews, the pros and antis are easily recognized.

This pattern seems to hold throughout history. No, porn didn't start in the '60s. I saw some of the stag movies from the 1920s, and though their cameras were more immobile, they were in other ways just as explicit as anything in the 1970s.It's a myth that the '60s were a "sexual revolution," at least outside the gay community. What actually happened during the '60s was that censorship broke down. Movies were showing it, and TV was talking about it. Apparently the debate about whether sex should be written or shown in the contemporary goes back to the printing press. The first thing printed was the Bible and the second thing printed was pornography. Even in lascivious Roman times, you had prudes like Pliny the Younger writing that if this lasciviousness didn't stop, Rome was going to fall. And Pliny was right. Just 400 years after he wrote that and after those prudish Christians took over, Rome fell.

And that's my evidence. What does this mean? It means this split has existed as long as there have been cultures. It's based in human biology and it's not going to be settled. The sex industry is going to go through cycles of relative tolerance to extreme crackdowns.

Another conclusion, the pros and antis are not going agree what they see with erotica. They can look at the same work. One sees an erotic picture. The other sees the look of distress in the woman's eye and imagines the gun pointing at her head off frame. The low-sex drive people are perfectly content with monogamy and do not understand visual stimulation any more than a color blind person understands the color red.

But it's even deeper than just not understanding. There's also a nausea effect. Sex acts a person can't enjoy tend to nauseate them. There's also suspicion. They can't ascribe to it a desire to reach orgasm in a creative, memorable way. So, they'll constantly come up with nefarious motives.

I wish they could be injected with testosterone with a couple months and find out what they think about porn and the sex industry afterward. But probably afterward, they'll repent, and be just as sex negative as ever.

My final conclusion, if these prudes didn't have feminism, they would find another ideology for which to attack the sex industry. I mean, the Bolsheviks attacked porn. They found found a way to bend their atheist, non-feminist ideology to do so. The Nazis also cracked down on porn and most of those Nazis came of age in lascivious, freewheeling Wiemar Germany.
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Your premise seems to be that people who don't like porn don't like sex. Scuba May 2012 #1
No, that's not my premise. caseymoz May 2012 #2
Conjecture, your honor. Scuba May 2012 #4
So, I offend them. caseymoz May 2012 #5
I agree. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #7
Here's what has been noted scientifically: caseymoz May 2012 #11
And your citations for these claims are your memory???? Scuba May 2012 #23
You're shocked! Shocked! caseymoz May 2012 #25
Everyone eats food. Not everyone enjoys food, and fewer still read about food. NYC_SKP May 2012 #3
I would say that's the major basis of it. caseymoz May 2012 #9
In my experience, porn is primarily a 2nd wave jawbone with which to beat men. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #6
No means no caseymoz May 2012 #8
Here's my take: One, it IS an issue to SOME Feminists, because they consider it one. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #10
Snap Crackle and Pop was taken as a personal attack? Gore1FL May 2012 #12
It reads like satire, doesn't it? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #13
Let me guess... Gore1FL May 2012 #15
If I didn't say "prude" I'd have to come up with another term. caseymoz May 2012 #17
A good point . . . caseymoz May 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Upton May 2012 #14
I think there are a lot of issues at work here.. Upton May 2012 #16
it can be. improving the life of sex workers and creating laws to prohibit La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #18
That's the way it should work. caseymoz May 2012 #19
yeah but i dont think it has to do with low sex drives. it has to do with a belief La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #24
Well, there is that. caseymoz May 2012 #26
This is an interesting post. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #31
Maybe I should clarify 'low sex drive.' caseymoz May 2012 #33
As we are all no doubt aware, "Feminist" thought is by no means uniform on this issue. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2012 #21
porn goes back to the paleolithic art. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #27
Well, sure, who wants to just draw antelope all day? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #28
And there we people disturbed by it then. caseymoz May 2012 #29
I don't care if someone doesn't like porn ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #30
Masturbation was disgusting to her? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #32
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