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lumberjack_jeff

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31. This is an interesting post.

Tue May 22, 2012, 01:03 PM

May 2012

I'm still not buying the low sex drive = porn aversion angle, but this;

There's something defective about the term objectification when it applies to sex, abuse or any interaction. Men don't direct anger at just any object. Objects don't draw emotions--- generally speaking. You really can't have it both ways. If a man objectifies a woman, but in some way, is aroused by her, in some way, that woman is not an object to him. If there's abuse involved, he's doing it because it hurts her, not because she's an object.

Moreover, if he has commercial sex with her, or uses her image for sexual pleasure, those are something that an object can't fulfill. If he fantasizes about her image, he's injecting a different personality into her. Generally (and one would hope) one that consents to sex with him in the way he likes it.

... is a thought provoking take on the issue.

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I believe porn isn't really a feminist issue. [View all] caseymoz May 2012 OP

Your premise seems to be that people who don't like porn don't like sex. Scuba May 2012 #1

No, that's not my premise. caseymoz May 2012 #2

Conjecture, your honor. Scuba May 2012 #4

So, I offend them. caseymoz May 2012 #5

I agree. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #7

Here's what has been noted scientifically: caseymoz May 2012 #11

And your citations for these claims are your memory???? Scuba May 2012 #23

You're shocked! Shocked! caseymoz May 2012 #25

Everyone eats food. Not everyone enjoys food, and fewer still read about food. NYC_SKP May 2012 #3

I would say that's the major basis of it. caseymoz May 2012 #9

In my experience, porn is primarily a 2nd wave jawbone with which to beat men. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #6

No means no caseymoz May 2012 #8

Here's my take: One, it IS an issue to SOME Feminists, because they consider it one. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #10

Snap Crackle and Pop was taken as a personal attack? Gore1FL May 2012 #12

It reads like satire, doesn't it? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #13

Let me guess... Gore1FL May 2012 #15

If I didn't say "prude" I'd have to come up with another term. caseymoz May 2012 #17

A good point . . . caseymoz May 2012 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Upton May 2012 #14

I think there are a lot of issues at work here.. Upton May 2012 #16

it can be. improving the life of sex workers and creating laws to prohibit La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #18

That's the way it should work. caseymoz May 2012 #19

yeah but i dont think it has to do with low sex drives. it has to do with a belief La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #24

Well, there is that. caseymoz May 2012 #26

This is an interesting post. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #31

Maybe I should clarify 'low sex drive.' caseymoz May 2012 #33

As we are all no doubt aware, "Feminist" thought is by no means uniform on this issue. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2012 #21

porn goes back to the paleolithic art. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #27

Well, sure, who wants to just draw antelope all day? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #28

And there we people disturbed by it then. caseymoz May 2012 #29

I don't care if someone doesn't like porn ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #30

Masturbation was disgusting to her? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #32