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(29,257 posts) Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:09 PM Jul 2012

War, the Draft, sending men to kill --Is that sexism? [View all]

Forcing men to go and kill.

Is that sexism?

In WW2, Japan forced women to become prostitutes to service soldiers --a hideous crime against them. but is it WORSE than forcing men to become murderers?

Looking forward to a free and open discussion...

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War, the Draft, sending men to kill --Is that sexism? [View all] Bonobo Jul 2012 OP

Uhm, you fail to recognize who decided men should be forced to go and kill. Lionessa Jul 2012 #1

Doesn't make it any less horrible or sexist. nt Bonobo Jul 2012 #2

I don't think you can call the gender that is making decisions about it's own gender, sexist against Lionessa Jul 2012 #3

Yes, men. Usually old men... Bonobo Jul 2012 #6

Seems to me that the US military in the past 75 years has been HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #11

It's origination though was that men thought of women as inferior, so the sexism that created it is Lionessa Jul 2012 #13

The definition of sexism is "discriminating against people on the basis of their gender" Bonobo Jul 2012 #17

But it's not because of their gender, it's because old white guys want to get rid of the young poor Lionessa Jul 2012 #28

But men (or their families) generally do get compensation for fighting in war. antigone382 Aug 2012 #62

I believe that's called ageism, though normally one thinks about it being young against old these Lionessa Jul 2012 #25

Please explain that. HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #8

You can still call them sexist against women, which is how this idea that men should go to war Lionessa Jul 2012 #10

Sorry that wasn't actually the question I wanted answered. HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #15

I mean pick another reason. As mentioned above and throughout, it can be ageism, class-ism, but it Lionessa Jul 2012 #27

Of course it can. Women can be sexist against women, men men. Any member of a group can uppityperson Jul 2012 #51

Ha ha....."your" group ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #24

I agree its a class and age thing, hence why I say it can't really be a sexism thing. Lionessa Jul 2012 #26

Questionable logic. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #37

I didn't say opinions couldn't be sexist within the same sex, however when the power over that sex Lionessa Jul 2012 #39

If I think that you are weak, helpless and comparatively precious... lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40

Not all women believe as you suggest as proven by women voluteering and serving with honor. Lionessa Jul 2012 #42

That's the thing. Society doesn't do it *to men*, it just does it. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #43

If the decision is based on sex, yes, they can be sexist. Even if by the person of that gender. uppityperson Jul 2012 #52

in this case, but its not always been so in history, plenty of times when a women has been the one loli phabay Jul 2012 #4

I think forced is the keyword here. Lionessa Jul 2012 #7

no problem with people of either sex being outrageous and unique loli phabay Jul 2012 #14

Not funny in my opinion, but that discussion has been all over DU, so I'll leave it there. Lionessa Jul 2012 #16

you do realise that it was funny peculiar and not funny haha loli phabay Jul 2012 #18

Yeah, I guess I did. Lionessa Jul 2012 #19

no problem i figured it was just an accidentql thing, :) loli phabay Jul 2012 #20

No, I've got a difficult decision to make and I fear I'm being nitpicky about everything. Lionessa Jul 2012 #21

Well i hold no grudge or malice and understand completely, try and get some sleep and hope it works loli phabay Jul 2012 #22

That is one of the more sexist comments I've seen 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #33

I said, some I did not say all. Lionessa Jul 2012 #35

But what about teh womynz!?!? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #45

Yes of course. Being drafted and sent off to be maimed or killed against your will is a clear sign 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #32

It's an -ism, I'm just saying it isn't sexism. Lionessa Jul 2012 #34

Interesting, because I've seen countless op-eds explaining how women can be culpable 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #44

I wouldn't call what women do to each other sexism either. Lionessa Jul 2012 #46

Sure sure. The definition is revised at need 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #47

Japanese men made that decision against women, hence sexism. Lionessa Jul 2012 #48

Actually it's voters that make that choice Major Nikon Aug 2012 #64

A vote directly related to who goes to war was never offered tmk. Lionessa Aug 2012 #65

So how many election cycles passed during the Iraqi war and the Afghanistan war? Major Nikon Aug 2012 #66

Wow, what dream world do you live in, and why are you trying to suggest that women haven't Lionessa Aug 2012 #67

Please post exactly where I claimed anything within a cab ride of this Major Nikon Aug 2012 #68

The US Selective Service is, by definition, sexist: NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #5

Due to the dramatic change of our armed forces and our techniques and the show Lionessa Jul 2012 #9

So our current all volunteer force isn't sexist? Kaleva Jul 2012 #12

Well no, it still discriminates against women. It is a sexist institutiion. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #29

yeah I guess so but better just to end the draft for everybody. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #23

Not according to a lot of people on du. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #30

Oh yeah I forgot I had the opposite position yesterday. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #31

Yea Dokkie Sep 2012 #72

No, not sexist. caseymoz Jul 2012 #36

Is the notion that 'men are better suited for combat than women' sexist? ZenLefty Jul 2012 #38

Yes. Belief that your sex is inherently better than the other at anything is sexist. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #41

Men are inherently stronger and better suited to the rigors of combat and austere environments. Clames Jul 2012 #49

We don't fight with battle-axes anymore. Bonobo Jul 2012 #50

If you think pointing a gun is all there is to it... Clames Jul 2012 #60

Women in conquered nations weren't forced to becoem prostitutes obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #53

"The sex slaves were often tied into a chair with their legs spread, and raped with sticks, bayonets Bonobo Jul 2012 #55

Are you kidding me? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #56

No, asking for a link is not appalling. Bonobo Jul 2012 #57

Except it isn't made up, which you know obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #58

I had never seen such dramatic evidence. Bonobo Jul 2012 #59

"So, yeah, that really is worse than a draft. " 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #61

Now, in these days, with the technology we have? Yes. It is sexism. Not going to argue which is uppityperson Jul 2012 #54

Today's military... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #63

In any situation where a disposable human is needed it is invariably men 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #69

Ann Romney is no less wealthy than Mitt. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #70

Thats a hard one Dokkie Sep 2012 #71

Yes, it is sexism. ChaoticTrilby Oct 2012 #73

Good thing we have an all volunteer military. Pterodactyl Dec 2012 #74

Yes,now. But in my lifetime, there was a draft and draft registration. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #75

That was one good thing Nixon did. Pterodactyl Dec 2012 #76

17,725 draftees (30.4%) died in Vietnam.. Upton Dec 2012 #77

Yes, but it can't be discussed as a male issue cause we did it to ourselves, right? Bonobo Dec 2012 #78

Apparently so...at least that's what I keep seeing.. Upton Dec 2012 #79

It is Always the Mans Fault Macoy51 Jan 2013 #80

The same people who claim it's always the man's fault for men's problems... Major Nikon Jan 2013 #81