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hifiguy

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29. Why am I not surprised that an ax-grinder is at the base of this?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:51 PM
Oct 2012

I read a few of the links, a couple of which looked like Meta-threads, and wound up eventually looping back to a quote from the founders of the discipline:

As Leda Cosmides and John Tooby write: "...in the rush to apply evolutionary insights to a science of human behavior, many researchers have made a conceptual 'wrong turn', leaving a gap in the evolutionary approach that has limited its effectiveness. This wrong turn has consisted of attempting to apply evolutionary theory directly to the level of manifest behavior, rather than using it as a heuristic guide for the discovery of innate psychological mechanisms." In other words, there may be an evolutionary basis for certain meta-aspects of human psychology rather than a direct link to individual behaviors. Which sounds entirely logical and possible, but time will tell.

Which amounts to saying that would-be popularizers are jumping the gun. So let's leave this to the actual scientists and see if the experimental and predictive methodologies develop and improve. It will either proved valid to some greater or lesser degree or it will turn out to be a dead end. To squawk at the outset that "there are questions that shouldn't be asked" is the same kind of bullshit spouted by the young earth creationists and other anti-science crackpots.

Because it's madness- sheer madness!- to suggest there may be evolutionary or biological drivers in Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #1
Gah! rrneck Oct 2012 #5
It does seem to be... opiate69 Oct 2012 #6
Yeah.. Upton Oct 2012 #7
The woo spewed against evolutionary psych is insane hifiguy Oct 2012 #15
"The one core fact about science and the scientific method . . . " 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #25
You might say that. hifiguy Oct 2012 #28
*groan* iuzyp Oct 2012 #2
"chock up"? Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #3
*snork*!!! Oh, and... Hi again, iverglas! opiate69 Oct 2012 #4
You can't win, Darth Major Nikon Oct 2012 #10
More like this: Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #11
Same thing Major Nikon Oct 2012 #12
Another one bites the dust: hifiguy Oct 2012 #16
Can't tell if that rant is real or parody. caseymoz Oct 2012 #13
Fundamentalists of all stripes reject science 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #8
Too true, 4thLaw.. too true opiate69 Oct 2012 #9
I think they don't like it . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #14
evo psych (sociobiology) is mostly bullshit Mosby Oct 2012 #17
Oh, well.... Mosby sez so, so it must be trufax!!! opiate69 Oct 2012 #18
some links Mosby Oct 2012 #19
Hmm... ok.. opiate69 Oct 2012 #20
Yeah. I know for a fucking FACT that alcoholism has a genetic and physiological component. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #24
Why am I not surprised that an ax-grinder is at the base of this? hifiguy Oct 2012 #29
Are you suggesting that men don't have the capacity to understand it? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #21
I'm posting from my phone Mosby Oct 2012 #22
There's plenty of social science concepts which can't be effectively tested Major Nikon Oct 2012 #23
Many disciplines can't be based on experimentation 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #27
some things are very hard or nearly impossibe to test Mosby Oct 2012 #30
I think you are grievously misunderstanding what evo-psych 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #35
I think it's safe to agree that psychology, evolutionary or otherwise, is a soft science. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #31
Well said, jeff. hifiguy Oct 2012 #32
psychology does cover a lot of ground these days Mosby Oct 2012 #33
I think the analogies between psychology and environmental science are apt. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #34
The genetic component would be neuro-science 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #36
Claim: evo-psych is bullshit 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #26
This is the stuff that makes people think it's okay to cover up or apologize for child abusers, huh? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #37
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