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Warren DeMontague

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30. Some interesting thoughts on porn and "rape culture":
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:56 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Sun Apr 14, 2013, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)

It is taken as axiomatic in some circles, really without any evidence other than "it must be so!", that somehow the "rape culture" that is perpetuated in places like Steubenville has to do- not with tight-knit communities with insular scholastic sports programs and a prevalent attitude that "the jocks can do no wrong" (which is sort of my take) but rather that it's being driven by porn, internet porn, freely available porn, see these guys took pictures with their phones (which turned out to be fortunate in that it made the crimes easier to prosecute) which is porn so obviously porn because, you know, porn.

And then Anonymous shows up, like they do in Canada, and they shine a big internet light on the institutions and local authorities which are covering up for these shits.

Great! Yay, Anonymous! Obviously, Anonymous being at the forefront of fighting against rape, which means "rape culture" which must mean.... porn, right?

And internet porn, freely available internet porn- again, this is taken as axiomatic, gospel 'truth'- MUST be causing and encouraging the attitudes which lead to these rapes... right?

Except.... has anyone making these connections bothered to examine exactly where Anonymous came from in the first place? Anonymous was born of 4chan. Anonymous is a creature of the internet, and while it may not be technically 100% that the "internet is for porn", the fact is that porn has been part and parcel of the internet from the early days, and certainly over at 4chan the Anonymous folks have been marinating in it for a VERY long time.

So how does that work- these folks who have strong commitment to justice for rape victims, to exposing hypocrisy and standing strong against rape, come from a community that has been steeped in freely exchanged internet smut and erotica and naked pictures from the get-go? Because the "porn--->rape culture" argument implies that the viewing of porn, the readily available access to porn, is causing or enabling these pro-rape attitudes. Yet here are porn people, internet anarchists really, who are steadfastly anti-rape, by all appearances.

And the institutions that have covered up for the alleged rapists? The Sheriff in Steubenville? The RCMP? Is there any evidence that they are being widely influenced by internet porn? No, there is not. In fact, Canada was supposed to be a model of MacKinnon anti-porn legislation, at least until it became apparent that these "civil rights remedies" against porn would end up rounding up what is widely considered "erotica" by some and not just the bad "porn" (In other words, if I like it, it's erotica- if you like it, it's porn) ... Simiarly, the Vatican, which has had its share of covering up for or enabling abuse and crime, is hardly any free-range libertarian smut paradise.

It doesn't make any sense. If porn caused people to think rape is no big deal, Anonymous wouldn't be getting involved.

Kinda flabbergasted that your post in the other thread got deleted... opiate69 Apr 2012 #1
Yeah, I'd like one of the four jurors who voted to hide to explain SPECIFICALLY Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #2
I've actually thought of posting in one of the women's groups once or twice in the past.. Upton Apr 2012 #3
I do post there, sometimes, since I'm genuinely interested in equality for everyone. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #4
Same here. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #6
I'll go one step further that it's easier to have an open and honest discussion about.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2012 #9
From what I've seen, most self identified female feminists are pro choice & sex positive too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #10
That's because the 2nd wave radical feminists are becoming more and more rare Major Nikon May 2012 #22
I'm not surprised ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2012 #5
On a short leash? DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #7
Hey, I'm a confident man ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2012 #8
Kinky! Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #13
There has been some interesting analysis done on the hypothetical evolutionary pressures Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #11
This point above is worth reiterating. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #25
*** Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #12
"Porn is the nazi's way of keeping two people from love". DutchLiberal May 2012 #14
I guess That, ah, entity missed the radfem polemic on 1984, specifically that it was Orwell writing Warren DeMontague May 2012 #15
Tsk, tsk... saying "radfem" is the same as saying "radical anti-racism". DutchLiberal May 2012 #16
Jesus. It's a label that is self applied. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #17
And apostrophes are the patriarchy's way of phallopressing our sentence structures. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #18
well of course they are... opiate69 May 2012 #19
Can be. Porn is a pretty broad category. caseymoz May 2012 #20
If nothing else, it should at least cause some to question the validity of radical feminist 'theory' Major Nikon May 2012 #21
Ah but science is predominately a male field 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #24
Kick Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #23
It is to my marriage. RiffRandell Apr 2013 #26
Same here, Riff. pacalo Apr 2013 #28
That seems to be a common experience. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #29
I strongly suspected that was the case. pacalo Apr 2013 #31
My husband is in telecom...he's a dongle dude. RiffRandell Apr 2013 #32
"His research told him "there is an inverse causal relationship between an increase in pornography Bonobo Apr 2013 #27
Some interesting thoughts on porn and "rape culture": Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #30
The sexual landscape in America has changed rather dramatically. It's why yoga pants are everywhere. Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #33
It's a good time to be a man... lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #34
Even who don't go to college are "benefiting" after a fashion Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #35
Yoga pants... or why I refuse to drive a car on a college campus. Safer to park and walk. Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #37
I eagerly await the jury results on your post. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #38
It is extremely telling... Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #39
Here is a graph on those DOJ UCR Rape Statistics: Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #40
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