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jtuck004

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18. You have a degree in economics and have never heard (or studied) the chartalist perspective?
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:25 AM
Jan 2012

Last edited Sun Jan 22, 2012, 05:58 AM - Edit history (1)

I know there are classes where it is not discussed, (such as those by Greg Mankiw, perhaps?), but it would seem foundational for a well-rounded perspective.

In any event, this paper from Professor Randall Wray at Univ of Missouri - Kansas City discusses this...

From the paper: "Budget deficits represent private sector savings. Or another way of putting it: every time the government runs a deficit and issues a bond, adding to the financial wealth of the private sector. (Technically, the sum of the private sector surpluses equal the sum of the government sector deficits, which equals the outstanding government debt—so long as the foreign sector is balanced.)"

and there are some formulae that might be applicable at http://pragcap.com/resources/understanding-modern-monetary-system , near the end. Haven't ever tried to email Cullen, but it's worth a shot, I suspect. People love to talk about their writing.

Dr. Wray is very interested in helping others learn about this, and I am sure he would be glad to answer any questions - he answered mine, great resource. Might take a few days, but I bet he would be delighted to get an email about his writing.

wrayr@umkc.edu

I hope that helps.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but Tansy_Gold Dec 2011 #1
I own not one dime of government securities, which is how we finance the national debt. mbperrin Dec 2011 #2
Well, that's pretty much what I meant Tansy_Gold Dec 2011 #3
You've said it well, and flawlessly. mbperrin Dec 2011 #4
The Federal Government does not have to obtain money (American dollars) from any one. Sam1 Jan 2012 #6
Please cite the economist and formula that shows that government debt creates savings in the private mbperrin Jan 2012 #10
You have a degree in economics and have never heard (or studied) the chartalist perspective? jtuck004 Jan 2012 #18
I see now. It's the rather old fashioned notion that money is meant to be a store of value. mbperrin Jan 2012 #19
Yep, goods and services much more modern. Better go round up some goats jtuck004 Jan 2012 #20
Didn't read a word, did you? The money is a CLAIM for goods and services. mbperrin Jan 2012 #21
What really has value is human potential, not goods and services, and not jtuck004 Jan 2012 #22
I posted this in response to someone else. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #9
This is a little different because Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #12
Money from the Social Security Trust Fund which was created because JDPriestly Jan 2012 #14
Exactly. And furthermore, Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #15
So, if you can afford it, invest for yourself also. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #16
If you have paid your payroll taxes -- your Social Security taxes -- your old-aged JDPriestly Jan 2012 #8
I pay the Teacher Retirement System of Texas. mbperrin Jan 2012 #11
Repudiate the national debt and let the chips fall where they may. Or Blue Hen Buckeye Jan 2012 #5
I wonder what portion of the debt is owed to the Social Security Trust Fund. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #7
About 27-30% from memory dmallind Jan 2012 #13
SSA Trust fund = $2.6 trillion - total debt now over $15 trillion banned from Kos Jan 2012 #17
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