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GliderGuider

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43. Politics of any sort can't fix this.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:55 AM
Apr 2016

There is no political constituency for degrowth, anywhere on the planet. Especially not for the scale of reduction in both population and economic activity that it would take to bring the world back into balance. That goes for any kind of government you can name, from monarchies, dictatorships and theocracies to any sort of democracy.

Politics can only shape growth, it can't (and in general has no desire to) halt or reverse growth. There has never been a political body in human history that has actively reversed the growth of the society it governed.

There have been two - just two - examples of deliberate steady-state societies in the last mumblety-thousand years - Japan during the Edo period from 1603 to 1868 and the tiny Pacific island of Tikopia. Every other society has been based on the principle of "growth if possible."

Even Bernie or Jill Stein wouldn't reverse the growth of the American economy as a matter of policy.

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This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #1
+1 padfun Apr 2016 #14
I woke up to the issue with LtG in 72. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #15
You've helped me articulate that acceptance Boomer Apr 2016 #19
Thanks. I appreciate knowing that. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #20
Political/social/cultural revolution is inevitable, in my view, Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #29
We are ripe for a catastrophic event or even two or three nolabels Apr 2016 #50
Wait. Aren't you a Hillary supporter? KPN Apr 2016 #59
oh yeah? well, uh--nuclear renaissance! MisterP Apr 2016 #2
Blowing a lot of people up and exposing them to radiation will solve this problem? JDPriestly Apr 2016 #27
I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm... nt GliderGuider Apr 2016 #28
Let's hope so. But hard to know KPN Apr 2016 #60
You may be right... Wounded Bear Apr 2016 #3
the best line in the movie and the first thing I thought of when I saw the OP - ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #13
I thought that was PatrynXX Apr 2016 #18
My middle son had an occasion to quote that line to me (while I was doing something stupid) ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #24
And that is not even half of it. zeemike Apr 2016 #4
Huge +1! Enthusiast Apr 2016 #9
Yep! Phlem Apr 2016 #12
Corporate Democrat. ozone_man Apr 2016 #26
And 50% could be optimistic. zeemike Apr 2016 #39
We are witnessing a massive decline felix_numinous Apr 2016 #5
No, we are not here together. Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #31
I meant physically felix_numinous Apr 2016 #63
Sometime in the 80s... freebrew Apr 2016 #6
2 years sounds about right for many places. hunter Apr 2016 #7
2 Years is the longest I can see status quo holding up Hydra Apr 2016 #35
As someone else noted (in a slightly different context), there is a serious cascade effect here too. Nihil Apr 2016 #42
Some would say we are privileged to live during these times. Haha!! KPN Apr 2016 #61
I think it's utterly amazing to be alive right now. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #62
The nation and the planet are far worse off. There is no progress in sight. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #8
I hate to agree with you, but I must. Downwinder Apr 2016 #10
Hell... ReRe Apr 2016 #11
we haven't had a True Liberal in the White House since Carter PatrynXX Apr 2016 #16
Let me be the first. ozone_man Apr 2016 #30
That a dem president never put panels back up pisses me off! -nt CrispyQ Apr 2016 #57
Obama actually did put them back up... mackdaddy Apr 2016 #69
Thank you. I wasn't aware of that. CrispyQ Apr 2016 #70
How time flys. westerebus Apr 2016 #17
Thanks! GliderGuider Apr 2016 #51
If we were fucked wouldn't we feel something physically? Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #21
weve been fucked since the 1970s or before as that was tipping point allan01 Apr 2016 #22
We may have been fucked for much longer than that. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #23
"We"... Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #33
Politics of any sort can't fix this. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #43
I agree. But this time should be different because of post-enlightenment Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #48
And don't forget the willing cooperation of the governed. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #49
Supply fosters demand Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #54
I've always thought that lordsummerisle Apr 2016 #37
"And YOU have mettled with the primal forces of nature ... SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2016 #58
The word is "asses". nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #65
there's still hope and we are making progress in awareness Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #25
About 5% of children younger than 5 yrs old have epilepsy - about one in every 20 children under 5. proverbialwisdom Apr 2016 #32
No progress? camelfan Apr 2016 #34
Did Dead Parrot beat you to the punch? I can't quite remember and it's not critical, but . . . hatrack Apr 2016 #36
I miss Kirk so much. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #41
OFHWAD... stands for.... yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #52
Oh Fucking Hell We're All Doomed hatrack Apr 2016 #53
Truer words never spoken yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #55
On a long enough time line, everyone's survival rate drops to zero. Moostache Apr 2016 #38
Kick! nt Javaman Apr 2016 #40
Okay. LisaM Apr 2016 #44
Kicking the childbirth habit would be a great beginning... nt GliderGuider Apr 2016 #45
Mind. Blown. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #46
yep--+10000 heaven05 Apr 2016 #47
Don't worry. Our big brains will get us out of this mess. CrispyQ Apr 2016 #56
Once upon a time... Javaman Apr 2016 #64
Americans may do some of the right things eventually. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #68
Until we stop increasing our numbers sammythecat Apr 2016 #66
"We" won't stop increasing our numbers.. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #67
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