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AtheistCrusader

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33. The containments are compromised. No doubt there. They are leaking water.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jun 2016

But these are likely cracks, damage from the explosion in the condenser torus, and connecting pipes that were destroyed by the quake. The water doesn't drain fast enough to suggest it's all going right out a hole in the bottom.

When the cores melted (reactor 1 the worst/hottest) all that material splashed to the catchment at the bottom of the containment. When that happened, it stopped being critical, meaning no longer actively producing heat by fission. All it adds at that point is the decay heat of the fuel itself. The conditions for it to remain critical were gone.

The fuel landed on a platform designed to separate the fuel, add poisons (boron) that prevent criticality, and generally soak up heat. Steel, seven meters of concrete, etc. The fuel likely burned something like 70cm into the concrete in places, if I recall the report correctly. That further poisons the fuel with impurities, like steel and concrete. It would quickly reach a state like the 'foot' of corium under the reactor in Chernobyl. A slagged mess of incredibly radioactive crap. You see the 'foot' (below) in Chernobyl, because the RBMK reactor that exploded had no containment at all. Nothing to catch the slagged, molten corium, and contain it.

The containments on reactors 1-3 should have done better. They should be water-tight, and keep the contamination inside. They failed in that regard. Spectacularly so. But they did not fail to contain the core material itself. If the cores had remained critical, in the bottom of the catchment, then yes, they would eventually burn their way through all that concrete and steel, and escape from the bottom. But that kind of fuel can't work that way. It has to be in the geometric config of the core before it melted, and it needs a neutron moderator to truly run at full power/temp or runaway beyond that point.

Chernobyl unit 4 was a 3.2mw reactor, and when it exploded, the last instrument showed 33mw of thermal output (Almost 10x the design limit). It had no containment at all, and here is the lowest level of the basement where the corium halted and solidified, and remains today:



Fukushima Dai-Ichi is worse than 3 mile island by a lot, but the cores more closely resemble the state of TMI than Chernobyl unit 4. TMI's core only partially melted, and didn't escape the reactor pressure vessel, but did stay inside the containment.

Fukushima: Worse Than a Disaster [View all] nationalize the fed Jun 2016 OP
Oh my this is a horrible ongoing disaster All in it together Jun 2016 #1
+1 nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #3
100% meltdown - the TRUTH finally comes out yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #2
Ticking time bomb, no other description fits IMO AuntPatsy Jun 2016 #4
so glad they TRIED to save their INVESTMENT FIRST. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #5
The "trip to the twilight zone" is entirely in the fantasy concocted by the author FBaggins Jun 2016 #6
"Entire Fantasy"...suggesting everything is just peachy? I would beg to differ... NeoGreen Jun 2016 #7
Why do some people seem to think that makes sense? FBaggins Jun 2016 #8
I report stuff from Japan and yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #10
It's confirmation bias combined with inadequate science education I'm afraid. FBaggins Jun 2016 #12
I do, everytime I see your posts nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #15
Hey thanks, its always great to get a new yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #29
I do. mahina Jun 2016 #36
arigatou! yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #37
Are you saying that the meltdown has stopped? sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #9
Can you be more specific? FBaggins Jun 2016 #11
Then how hot is hot right now? sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #13
Slightly warm to the touch FBaggins Jun 2016 #25
Of course. Just like Chernobyl. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #16
How much damage did it do? sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #19
It is, because water flowing in and out of the contaminated areas AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #20
I see. sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #24
What remains is mostly a local issue, sadly. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #27
Very informative. Thanks sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #34
That's a lie. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #14
Checked numerous sources on Google news notemason Jun 2016 #17
That doesn't make any sense. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #21
Why didnt the global mucky mucks libodem Jun 2016 #18
I saw this movie, it was called "The China Syndrome" in NotHardly Jun 2016 #22
Wow... deathrind Jun 2016 #23
Given that the entire earth's core is quite radioactive... nothing. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #28
I disagree... deathrind Jun 2016 #30
You asked what happens if it hits the mantle. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #31
So help me to clarify here. deathrind Jun 2016 #32
The containments are compromised. No doubt there. They are leaking water. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #33
Thank you! deathrind Jun 2016 #35
Meanwhile in Australia.... GORGON! hunter Jun 2016 #26
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