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cstar

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19. Good point
Sun May 20, 2018, 10:55 PM
May 2018

In New York, power generation is only responsible for 17% of total emissions. 34% comes from transportation and 32% from heating/cooling buildings and water heating.

The concept of "beneficial electrification" has been used to describe the need to electrify all transportation and all building-related energy use, through EVs and ground-source and air-source heat pumps.

As New York's greenhouse gas inventory noted, it will not be possible to meet our 80 x 50 climate goals without this.

That is obviously a huge challenge, and one that will not be cheap. IMO, our side shoots itself in the foot when we pretend otherwise. People are not stupid, despite what some in this forum seem to think. What we have to show them is that these technologies and services will work, even if they are more expensive (at first).

We also have to change the way we organize our transportation and other systems (i.e., food). For example, there are companies developing battery or hybrid electric small planes that can serve regional routes, use underutilized smaller airports, and deliver passenger miles for less than trains or driving (i.e., San Francisco to San Diego).

I do not see how we do this without a carbon tax, or carbon fee-and-dividend that is appropriately high enough (i.e., $100 per ton) to level the playing field with fossil fuels and spur behavioral and technological change.

The point has been made by pro-nuclear advocates that we cannot power civilization as we currently know it (by which they seem to mean American-style sprawl) withough the baseload power that nuclear facilities provide. They may be right, but I would argue that American-style "civilization" is not the appropriate model. Not by a long shot. And for more reasons than just power supply and consumption.

Yes, poor Africans and Asians need to have access to resources that will improve - and save - their lives. But rich Americans, Europeans and Asians need to ramp down their consumption. Which will happen. It's just a question of whether this ramp down is controlled and deliberate or as the result of chaos and conflict.

I personally think you are wrong Vinnie From Indy May 2018 #1
I personally KNOW I am right, and I very much have the motivation and responsibility... NNadir May 2018 #2
I happen to work in the power industry captain queeg May 2018 #3
Have they found a way to rid the planet of nuclear waste yet? Control-Z May 2018 #4
Of course you're not interested. In order to oppose nuclear energy... NNadir May 2018 #6
All fossil fuels contribute to global warming captain queeg May 2018 #5
Hear! Hear! aka-chmeee May 2018 #7
Three Mile Island was a classic. JayhawkSD May 2018 #8
The US has plenty of BWRs caraher May 2018 #10
You left off another important point FBaggins May 2018 #11
I figured that much was obvious caraher May 2018 #12
You can always rationalize away the accidents that happen at nuclear plants by saying Finishline42 May 2018 #14
As a civil/environmental engineer I generally agree with your position on nuclear. Also, didn't Bil c-rational May 2018 #9
Wind capacity factor cstar May 2018 #13
Yes. The renewable scam complaining about "subsidies" is like Donald Trump complaining... NNadir May 2018 #15
A society powered by renewable energy would look nothing like the industrial consumer society... hunter May 2018 #16
baseload is the only way? cstar May 2018 #17
Every time this nuclear vs. renewable debate heats up, I notice something. StevieM May 2018 #18
Good point cstar May 2018 #19
Thank you for your post. StevieM May 2018 #24
Actually, using thermochemical water and/or carbon dioxide splitting cycles, petroleum and gas... NNadir May 2018 #20
Thank you for your post. I appreciate the work you put into making your arguments. StevieM May 2018 #21
I know you asked NNadir, but here's a link to International DME trade group... hunter May 2018 #22
Thank you for your questions. It's no sweat on my part. NNadir May 2018 #23
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