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In reply to the discussion: PLANET OF THE HUMANS' STREAMING: HOW TO WATCH THE MICHAEL MOORE-PRODUCED DOCUMENTARY ONLINE FOR FREE [View all]progree
(10,907 posts)28. Nope, not going to let you get away with that
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It may be that some economist in Texas realized that wind power commits the state to natural gas...
... in a way that nuclear power or serious lifestyle changes do not.
... in a way that nuclear power or serious lifestyle changes do not.
Wind is not incompatible with nuclear -- at least not the kind of nuclear that would provide the load-following abilities needed for 100% or nearly 100% nuclear systems that some extol as the only way to quit smoking or whatever the analogy du jour is (nuclear is not carbon-free, by the way, nor is any other electricity source).
But with the current cost of power sources, more electricity from wind energy means burning less natural gas.
As for "serious life-style changes", more insulation is not going to end our need for electricity. It will help us use less electricity, but not all of it. (So to use your smoking analogy, it's like cutting back, but not quitting smoking)
But I'm all for anything that helps cut electricity use, since no source of electricity is entirely carbon-free. "Serious lifestyle changes" are not incompatible with producing electricity from lower-carbon sources for the electricity that we will continue to consume.
And getting people to make the life-style changes ... I live in Minnesota ... in the summer I wake up and often it's in the 60's deg F outside and I step outside and I hear the neighbors' damn air conditioners blasting away (I live in a 60 townhouse community). It's like people demand that the temperature be within half a degree of perfect, and supplementing their air-conditioning with fans (or supplementing fans with a little air-conditioning as I do) is just too much of a bother.
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PLANET OF THE HUMANS' STREAMING: HOW TO WATCH THE MICHAEL MOORE-PRODUCED DOCUMENTARY ONLINE FOR FREE [View all]
douglas9
Apr 2020
OP
That "8%" quote comes from the section about the launch of the Chevy Volt
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2020
#13
Pretty good takedown on the whole thing at Climate Crocks - key point - old footage, old information
hatrack
Apr 2020
#14
"Break even on your investment..." is part of the philosophy that is killing the planet.
hunter
Apr 2020
#19
It may be that some economist in Texas realized that wind power commits the state to natural gas...
hunter
Apr 2020
#24
Thanks for what you are doing to reduce your carbon footprint, and for not letting the perfect be
progree
Apr 2020
#21
Well, people aren't going to quit using electricity. That's just the reality of the situation.
progree
Apr 2020
#26
Sorry, but wind is a lot cheaper to build, without the enormous cost overrruns. The "fuel" is free
progree
Apr 2020
#32