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wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
8. Rooting for natural gas and fracking, are they?
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:11 PM
Feb 2013
But in the face being crushed by renewables and gas, the money men may finally pull the plug.

The first time I've heard natural gas disassociated with "the money men" (talk to some people in upstate New York; you may get an argument).

* Southern California utility customers pay $250 million more every year to replace the power lost when SONGS (San Onofre) shut down.
* In it's 45-year history, there has not been one radiological death - or injury - associated with San Onofre.
* Since it opened, SONGS has provided 525TWH of carbon-free energy. That same energy, generated with CA's non-nuclear power mix, would have resulted in over 4,000 deaths from cancer (mostly from coal).
* Wind & solar provide 6% of CA's non-baseload power, and are dependent on natural gas peaking plants for backup.
* The World Health Organization has found that the result of Fukushima nuclear accident, the "rate of increase in cancer cases is so small that it does not present a statistically detectable risk."
* Since Fukushima about 30,000 Americans have died from complications associated with breathing coal smoke. Not one death has been attributed to radiation from the accident.
* The notion that SONGS is "perched on an ocean cliff" would be hilarious if it wasn't so plain stupid.
* Natural gas, one of nukefree.org's saviors, has a bone to pick with the Jenny Chang of the Sierra Club: “It’s incredibly frustrating and incredibly manipulative” for the gas industry to align itself with renewables, Chang said. “Clean energy and natural gas are not on the same spectrum.”

http://climatedesk.org/2013/01/charts-renewables-in-bed-with-natural-gas/

Another product of "nukefree.org", members of which meet once a week in a carpeted room at the local rec center to reinforce their ignorant, incestuous fears. In a nutshell, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Our Atomic Dominoes are Falling [View all] diane in sf Feb 2013 OP
Shut them all down. JEB Feb 2013 #1
Thank you. Shut them all down yesterday. diane in sf Feb 2013 #2
Saw this at Common Dreams JEB Feb 2013 #3
I'm with you guys on this one. iemitsu Feb 2013 #4
They're all pretty much beyond their useful life Warpy Feb 2013 #5
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! PamW Feb 2013 #15
That is nothing but the nuclear industry's attempt to rewrite history kristopher Feb 2013 #19
Nonsense. FBaggins Feb 2013 #20
Too Cheap To Meter RobertEarl Feb 2013 #25
LIARS!!! PamW Feb 2013 #26
Not only does it lie RobertEarl Feb 2013 #27
LIAR!!! PamW Feb 2013 #29
Heh RobertEarl Feb 2013 #31
More LiES... PamW Feb 2013 #33
You just don't get it do you? RobertEarl Feb 2013 #35
I know the TRUTH!!! PamW Feb 2013 #38
You just don't get it do you? RobertEarl Feb 2013 #40
hmm... nebenaube Feb 2013 #41
If you're old enough to remember it... FBaggins Feb 2013 #43
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! PamW Feb 2013 #22
Pam two comments happyslug Feb 2013 #30
NO! NO! NO! Happyslug RobertEarl Feb 2013 #32
The record speaks for itself - but it drives the anti-nukes crazy. PamW Feb 2013 #36
No one hurt? Killed? RobertEarl Feb 2013 #37
I've got other things to do besides correct nonsense here PamW Feb 2013 #44
Actually I like her, she is an excellent source of information happyslug Feb 2013 #48
LIARS should be confronted!!! PamW Feb 2013 #34
Caps and exclamation points are rude and just piss people off. wtmusic Feb 2013 #45
Caps.. PamW Feb 2013 #46
Ah, like a breath of fresh air. wtmusic Feb 2013 #47
Calling a member of this forum a liar is prohibited. jpak Mar 2013 #50
You know who did the lying? Warpy Feb 2013 #24
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! PamW Feb 2013 #28
Sorry, honey, I was there. Warpy Feb 2013 #42
Initiative Would Shutter California Nuclear Plants For Decades triplepoint Feb 2013 #6
Runs afoul of the US Constitution PamW Feb 2013 #17
You understand the law less than you understand power systems kristopher Feb 2013 #18
WRONG AGAIN!! PamW Feb 2013 #21
"It's not about investors being able to sue..." kristopher Feb 2013 #49
I think we need new reactors Revanchist Feb 2013 #7
That isn't a position that is supportable kristopher Feb 2013 #11
I wish I had more time for serious research into renewables Revanchist Feb 2013 #12
You are correct PamW Feb 2013 #39
Rooting for natural gas and fracking, are they? wtmusic Feb 2013 #8
Your blind support for nuclear is rearing its ugly head again. kristopher Feb 2013 #9
As is your blind support for fracked natural gas NickB79 Feb 2013 #13
Let's take a look at who is actually supporting fracking. kristopher Feb 2013 #16
For reference kristopher Feb 2013 #23
Aubrey McClendon as public benefactor? pscot Feb 2013 #10
I'd favour more research on how to reverse energy demand growth in general. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #14
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