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In reply to the discussion: Our Atomic Dominoes are Falling [View all]wtmusic
(39,166 posts)8. Rooting for natural gas and fracking, are they?
But in the face being crushed by renewables and gas, the money men may finally pull the plug.
The first time I've heard natural gas disassociated with "the money men" (talk to some people in upstate New York; you may get an argument).
* Southern California utility customers pay $250 million more every year to replace the power lost when SONGS (San Onofre) shut down.
* In it's 45-year history, there has not been one radiological death - or injury - associated with San Onofre.
* Since it opened, SONGS has provided 525TWH of carbon-free energy. That same energy, generated with CA's non-nuclear power mix, would have resulted in over 4,000 deaths from cancer (mostly from coal).
* Wind & solar provide 6% of CA's non-baseload power, and are dependent on natural gas peaking plants for backup.
* The World Health Organization has found that the result of Fukushima nuclear accident, the "rate of increase in cancer cases is so small that it does not present a statistically detectable risk."
* Since Fukushima about 30,000 Americans have died from complications associated with breathing coal smoke. Not one death has been attributed to radiation from the accident.
* The notion that SONGS is "perched on an ocean cliff" would be hilarious if it wasn't so plain stupid.
* Natural gas, one of nukefree.org's saviors, has a bone to pick with the Jenny Chang of the Sierra Club: Its incredibly frustrating and incredibly manipulative for the gas industry to align itself with renewables, Chang said. Clean energy and natural gas are not on the same spectrum.
http://climatedesk.org/2013/01/charts-renewables-in-bed-with-natural-gas/
Another product of "nukefree.org", members of which meet once a week in a carpeted room at the local rec center to reinforce their ignorant, incestuous fears. In a nutshell, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
The first time I've heard natural gas disassociated with "the money men" (talk to some people in upstate New York; you may get an argument).
* Southern California utility customers pay $250 million more every year to replace the power lost when SONGS (San Onofre) shut down.
* In it's 45-year history, there has not been one radiological death - or injury - associated with San Onofre.
* Since it opened, SONGS has provided 525TWH of carbon-free energy. That same energy, generated with CA's non-nuclear power mix, would have resulted in over 4,000 deaths from cancer (mostly from coal).
* Wind & solar provide 6% of CA's non-baseload power, and are dependent on natural gas peaking plants for backup.
* The World Health Organization has found that the result of Fukushima nuclear accident, the "rate of increase in cancer cases is so small that it does not present a statistically detectable risk."
* Since Fukushima about 30,000 Americans have died from complications associated with breathing coal smoke. Not one death has been attributed to radiation from the accident.
* The notion that SONGS is "perched on an ocean cliff" would be hilarious if it wasn't so plain stupid.
* Natural gas, one of nukefree.org's saviors, has a bone to pick with the Jenny Chang of the Sierra Club: Its incredibly frustrating and incredibly manipulative for the gas industry to align itself with renewables, Chang said. Clean energy and natural gas are not on the same spectrum.
http://climatedesk.org/2013/01/charts-renewables-in-bed-with-natural-gas/
Another product of "nukefree.org", members of which meet once a week in a carpeted room at the local rec center to reinforce their ignorant, incestuous fears. In a nutshell, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
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I'd favour more research on how to reverse energy demand growth in general.
GliderGuider
Feb 2013
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