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PamW

(1,825 posts)
28. WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!!
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:59 AM
Feb 2013

Warpy,

You have absolutely ZERO idea what you are talking about.

Evidently you don't know ANYTHING about the interior design and construction of a nuclear power plant.
For your information, ionizing radiation does NOT degrade the containment. First, there is really no ionizing radiation that reaches the walls of the containment. The reactor has internal radiation shields that prevent the radiation from getting out beyond those shields. People have to be able to enter the reactor building and be within the containment building. Human bodies are much more fragile than concrete.

Additionally, what do you "think" that ionizing radiation does when it encounters concrete? Do you know what it does? Evidently not! It turns into a small amount of heat. Concrete doesn't have any long complex molecules like our DNA that can be disrupted by radiation. So ionizing radiation really doesn't damage concrete. It would do more damage to heat the concrete with fire. How much damage does fire do to masonry? Why do you think the hearth in houses with fireplaces are made of masonry?

Nuclear power plants were designed to have lifetimes of many, many decades. Yes, the normal license period is 40 years. However, saying that means the lifetime of the plant is 40 years is as erroneous as saying that a car driver should be retired the first time his/her license expires. NO - humans can get their driver's licenses renewed because we are good to operate motor vehicles for the duration of several license terms. The same with nuclear power plants. They don't have 40 year lives.

As far as what to do with the nuclear waste; scientist know what to do. The problem is the US Congress OUTLAWED the solution. What the scientists / engineers that designed nuclear power plants had in mind from the beginning is for nuclear waste to be reprocessed / recycled.

Here's an interview with nuclear physicist and then Associate Director of Argonne National Lab, Dr. Charles Till, interviewed for PBS by Pulitzer Prize winner Richard Rhodes:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/interviews/till.html

Q: And you repeat the process.

A: Eventually, what happens is that you wind up with only fission products, that the waste is only fission products that have, most have lives of hours, days, months, some a few tens of years. There are a few very long-lived ones that are not very radioactive.

You see if you reprocess / recycle nuclear waste it can be transmuted into elements that have SHORT lifetimes; of the length of time in the highlighted section of Dr. Till's response.

ONLY the USA has this multi-thousand year problem that the Congress created for us at the behest of the anti-nukes.

Do you see France or Sweden or Japan looking for a mountain to bury nuclear waste in? NO - France reprocesses / recycles their long lived waste back to their reactors as fuel. The fission products are stored in the reprocessing center at La Hague until they radioactively decay on the time scales described above; and then the French can discharge the material that is no longer radioactive.

It's really quite simple. However, the anti-nukes don't like this solution; so they got Congress to outlaw it so they would have something to whine and complain about. The anti-nukes are the last people that want a solution to nuclear waste.

It would be like people opposing catalytic converters to clean up car exhaust because they don't like a solution in which we have clean cars. They want to BAN cars. So they keep the cars as dirty and polluting as possible, so they have something to complain about.

I find it the height of HYPOCRISY to complain about a problem that you created yourself.

PamW

Our Atomic Dominoes are Falling [View all] diane in sf Feb 2013 OP
Shut them all down. JEB Feb 2013 #1
Thank you. Shut them all down yesterday. diane in sf Feb 2013 #2
Saw this at Common Dreams JEB Feb 2013 #3
I'm with you guys on this one. iemitsu Feb 2013 #4
They're all pretty much beyond their useful life Warpy Feb 2013 #5
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! PamW Feb 2013 #15
That is nothing but the nuclear industry's attempt to rewrite history kristopher Feb 2013 #19
Nonsense. FBaggins Feb 2013 #20
Too Cheap To Meter RobertEarl Feb 2013 #25
LIARS!!! PamW Feb 2013 #26
Not only does it lie RobertEarl Feb 2013 #27
LIAR!!! PamW Feb 2013 #29
Heh RobertEarl Feb 2013 #31
More LiES... PamW Feb 2013 #33
You just don't get it do you? RobertEarl Feb 2013 #35
I know the TRUTH!!! PamW Feb 2013 #38
You just don't get it do you? RobertEarl Feb 2013 #40
hmm... nebenaube Feb 2013 #41
If you're old enough to remember it... FBaggins Feb 2013 #43
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! PamW Feb 2013 #22
Pam two comments happyslug Feb 2013 #30
NO! NO! NO! Happyslug RobertEarl Feb 2013 #32
The record speaks for itself - but it drives the anti-nukes crazy. PamW Feb 2013 #36
No one hurt? Killed? RobertEarl Feb 2013 #37
I've got other things to do besides correct nonsense here PamW Feb 2013 #44
Actually I like her, she is an excellent source of information happyslug Feb 2013 #48
LIARS should be confronted!!! PamW Feb 2013 #34
Caps and exclamation points are rude and just piss people off. wtmusic Feb 2013 #45
Caps.. PamW Feb 2013 #46
Ah, like a breath of fresh air. wtmusic Feb 2013 #47
Calling a member of this forum a liar is prohibited. jpak Mar 2013 #50
You know who did the lying? Warpy Feb 2013 #24
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! PamW Feb 2013 #28
Sorry, honey, I was there. Warpy Feb 2013 #42
Initiative Would Shutter California Nuclear Plants For Decades triplepoint Feb 2013 #6
Runs afoul of the US Constitution PamW Feb 2013 #17
You understand the law less than you understand power systems kristopher Feb 2013 #18
WRONG AGAIN!! PamW Feb 2013 #21
"It's not about investors being able to sue..." kristopher Feb 2013 #49
I think we need new reactors Revanchist Feb 2013 #7
That isn't a position that is supportable kristopher Feb 2013 #11
I wish I had more time for serious research into renewables Revanchist Feb 2013 #12
You are correct PamW Feb 2013 #39
Rooting for natural gas and fracking, are they? wtmusic Feb 2013 #8
Your blind support for nuclear is rearing its ugly head again. kristopher Feb 2013 #9
As is your blind support for fracked natural gas NickB79 Feb 2013 #13
Let's take a look at who is actually supporting fracking. kristopher Feb 2013 #16
For reference kristopher Feb 2013 #23
Aubrey McClendon as public benefactor? pscot Feb 2013 #10
I'd favour more research on how to reverse energy demand growth in general. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #14
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