Environment & Energy

kristopher

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30. You aren't paying attention...

Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:29 PM

Mar 2013

The second is happening as we speak. The economics of renewables are right now starting to pose a major problem for the profitability of centralized thermal. Wind and solar are becoming the least cost alternative and that diminishes the market share of the centralized thermal systems - meaning coal and nuclear are selling less power - meaning they have to charge more to meet their overhead - meaning the market position of renewables becomes even more attractive.

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The permafrost gun is predicted to fire ~2050. No turning back. [View all] wtmusic Mar 2013 OP

It's going to happen a lot sooner in Alaska Tempest Mar 2013 #1

It's already started. progressoid Mar 2013 #2

Where is that photo from? davidthegnome Mar 2013 #5

The license plate is yellow Bainbridge Bear Mar 2013 #9

It is Alaska Tempest Mar 2013 #32

That one is from Alaska. Siberia is also showing the effects of melting "perma"frost. progressoid Mar 2013 #15

You may have meant dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #17

Doh! progressoid Mar 2013 #19

Thanks. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #25

If they predict 2050 Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #3

Agree. wtmusic Mar 2013 #4

Glad I'll be dead Pharaoh Mar 2013 #6

I know what you mean. I've said "I'm glad I'm old" to myself about a hundred times in the past Nay Mar 2013 #50

Is there REALLY anything we can do? Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #7

yes, we can do something RILib Mar 2013 #16

Obama/Whitehouse RILib Mar 2013 #18

Gops in Congress stopped the President...eom Kolesar Mar 2013 #26

what was that again? RILib Mar 2013 #45

Mr Obtuse just started researching the issue yesterday...eom Kolesar Mar 2013 #47

You made one minor error Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #27

Do you have anything except your opinion to support that? kristopher Mar 2013 #29

I do actually Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #33

So the answer is no, you have nothing to support your belief. kristopher Mar 2013 #35

Renewables are below 5%, so clearly these experts are wrong Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #37

You use no data and poor reasoning to support your position kristopher Mar 2013 #43

When we're grabbing for nuclear-- Who is 'We'? cprise Mar 2013 #36

I believe I said in my original post (on this topic) Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #38

So you think the US govt should own and operate Iran's power plants? n/t cprise Mar 2013 #57

I was talking about America. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #58

Government can't do it any better kristopher Mar 2013 #60

Yeah, you are probably correct about that (cont) Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #61

That means your definition of "safe" is flawed. kristopher Mar 2013 #62

Clearly. n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #63

There are nuclear power plants under construction now that will never be finished. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #51

One assessment says that if we built a nuclear plant every week wtmusic Mar 2013 #39

So build two a week :) Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #40

That could be done, too. wtmusic Mar 2013 #41

Renewables are faster, safer and cheaper kristopher Mar 2013 #44

1700 1GWe reactors only equals 1/3 of global electric supply kristopher Mar 2013 #46

Thank you. Excellent post. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #48

No one seriously uses LWRs in these scenerios. joshcryer Mar 2013 #56

What source can you point to that validates your statement regarding the need for nuclear? kristopher Mar 2013 #31

See my post above yours n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #34

Yes, there are things we COULD do, but our political-economic system will probably prevent action DLnyc Mar 2013 #21

Setting all that aside... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #28

You aren't paying attention... kristopher Mar 2013 #30

But Janitor Jesus will return to clean up our mess and make a paradise Motown_Johnny Mar 2013 #8

and that is why they do nothing sadly glinda Mar 2013 #11

I'll likely be gone by then, but my boyfriend will be in the prime of his life MNBrewer Mar 2013 #10

I know what you mean. I will most likely be gone by then but I am worried about the grandkids. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #14

Like an SF novel, minus the entertainment. nt caseymoz Mar 2013 #12

k&r nt limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #13

2050? XemaSab Mar 2013 #20

The IPCC made some predictions in 1990 that were early wtmusic Mar 2013 #22

Uh . . . . hatrack Mar 2013 #49

Referring to global temperature. wtmusic Mar 2013 #52

I'm not referring to global temperature averages, or to IPCC's past perceived failures hatrack Mar 2013 #53

Thanks. joshcryer Mar 2013 #55

That is one bloody scary graph... truebrit71 Mar 2013 #59

Is your thinking then... davidthegnome Mar 2013 #23

It's ALWAYS XemaSab Mar 2013 #24

+1000! FirstLight Mar 2013 #42

+1 joshcryer Mar 2013 #54

The Permafrost Gun is Already smoking, ... CRH Mar 2013 #64

+1 kristopher Mar 2013 #65