Remember all the pronuclear-antirenewable BS about industrial power prices in Germany?

[Yo_Mama]

6. The big industrials are shielded by law from the increased costs

So this doesn't mean anything.

There is an ongoing political and legal fight going on in Germany on just who has to pay for what, and what businesses qualify for the exemption.

German power prices keep going up, and the increase is largely because of the renewables. There was another increase this year, which isn't reflected yet in the official stats you will find here:
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Electricity_and_natural_gas_price_statistics#Electricity_prices_for_household_consumers


Again, this graph shows prices last year, not this year with the increase. But there are two things obvious from this graph. Denmark and Germany are hauling ahead of the pack with consumer pricing largely because of the cost of renewable subsidies. When this graph is updated for 2013, it will look worse for Germany.

The same (also for 2012) graph for industrial consumers shows that Denmark also has to shield its heavy users from the costs, or they would be losing jobs:


You are making a ridiculous argument here, Kristopher. Of course if government shields industry from the increased power costs, the price they pay for power won't increase.

The reality is that the shares of generation from renewables continues to increase in Germany, and as it does, the cost continues to rise:
http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=12939#more-12939

It remains to be seen how the increasing amount of renewable energy generation will affect the EEG surcharge for 2014. Some reports suggest that it may again considerably increase from currently 5.277 ct/kWh, with 7 ct/kWh 2014 being at the high end of figures currently being floated.

More info, unfortunately in German:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Offshore-Branche-bangt-um-Windpark-Finanzierung-1848883.html

Google translate version:
http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung%2FOffshore-Branche-bangt-um-Windpark-Finanzierung-1848883.html

The bottom line here is that it is an election year in Germany and halting the steady increases in the various renewables subsidies is being discussed, but even that discussion is stopping investment in windparks, because they will be completely unprofitable without subsidies.

I don't know how it will end up for Germany, because developing the offshore windparks appears essential to meet their goals. But it is clear that the ability and will of the German consumer to pay the bills is expiring, and large German industrials have made it clear that they will either build their own electricity plants or shut down their factories if their power costs increase much. With growth in the economy threatened, Germany will not do that.

http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=10548