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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
22. Or you could just be civil...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 03:33 AM
Oct 2013

I suppose, then, that it's back to the beginning again. I strongly urge anyone still reading to review the thread.

After reading the wrong document (post 8) you clearly stated that the CPUC was making the "same mistake" that the uninformed "technical" journalist had made (post 15). You tried to backtrack with a qualifier, but you are clearly stating that the CPUC document is wrong and, by implication, that the people who wrote it are less informed than you.

Perhaps you should worry less about tossing snark at other DUers and more about simply reading with comprehension and accuracy, for the CPUC docs are actually very clear when they define that in this document, "MW represents the peak power capacity of the storage resource in terms of the maximum discharge rate". (pg 1, APPENDIX A)

Appendix A, btw, is the document actually being adopted.

The CPUC is issuing a policy that "prescribes" the purchase of a certain amount of storage. For their purposes it isn't necessary to define that storage in terms of amount delivered over time. I explained why in post 10, but you chose to call that "techno-garfel" rather than consider that you were off-target.

I then gave examples to demonstrate why the time element of the storage to be purchased isn't predictable enough for a prescriptive approach to be used at this stage. One important goal of the policy is "cost effectiveness". There would be severe negative impacts to that if they tried to determine in advance the hours of storage involved in all of the different applications.

I see from your continued nervous snark that you understand specifying the time dimension would be a ridiculous approach to pursue but that is what your criticism is about - they chose to use the faceplate peak power capacity of the resources being purchased rather than get into the depth of delivery that might suit each of those resources best.

Storage is key to expanded deployment of renewables and, interestingly, to new transportation. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #1
We have pumped hydro near here. madokie Oct 2013 #2
I know which one, I think. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #3
You got it madokie Oct 2013 #4
No but it sure looks pretty. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #5
We just call it the pump back madokie Oct 2013 #6
I just went and read the PDF... phantom power Oct 2013 #7
Sad, isn't it, what passes for technical journalism these days. oldhippie Oct 2013 #8
So you think of CPUC documents as "technical journalism"? kristopher Oct 2013 #11
The document I read was from greentechmedia .... oldhippie Oct 2013 #12
The document (PDF) PP referred to is from the CPUC kristopher Oct 2013 #14
The .pdf document from the CPUC referenced in the article ..... oldhippie Oct 2013 #15
California's Public Utility Commission doesn't know the difference between energy and power? kristopher Oct 2013 #17
The trick is inductors and capacitors... hunter Oct 2013 #20
The Flux Capacitor One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #9
Something you might look up is "Vector Inversion Generator" and similar technologies. hunter Oct 2013 #26
Like this one? One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #28
Why would they need to discuss "watts X (unit-of-time)" specifically in this document? kristopher Oct 2013 #10
Maybe because the whole article is about "energy storage" ..... oldhippie Oct 2013 #13
How does prescribing the depth of capacity assist the CPUC effort? kristopher Oct 2013 #16
Obsfucate much? oldhippie Oct 2013 #18
I posed legitimate questions related to the actual policy under discussion. kristopher Oct 2013 #19
[sigh] ... I really need to get a life .... oldhippie Oct 2013 #21
Or you could just be civil... kristopher Oct 2013 #22
Because the goal is to mandate storage requirements for their grid. phantom power Oct 2013 #23
Their goals are well presented in the papers kristopher Oct 2013 #24
Too bad we're not as smart as kristopher ..... oldhippie Oct 2013 #25
Maybe you're onto something... kristopher Oct 2013 #27
Kick kristopher Nov 2013 #29
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