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NickB79

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20. Nations are not isolated islands in a global economy
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:25 AM
Dec 2013

The developing nations that would be the ones bearing the brunt of mass starvations from food shortages are also ones many countries around the world are coming to rely upon for natural resources to maintain developed nation economies, as their natural resource bases are depleted.

Let's say a mass famine whipped across much of Africa. Such a famine would likely cause political upheaval, revolutions, bloody civil wars. As such, countries with deep interests in that part of the world (US, Europe, China, Russia, etc) would start taking sides to make sure the winners would give them the most favorable terms for continuing resource extraction.

What exactly do you think would happen if the world's superpowers got into a pissing match over resources vital to their economies and national security? What if the very intervention by foreign nations caused another terrorist organization to spring forth and start striking targets around the globe?

A new Cold War could very well emerge as poor nations fall and rich nations fight over their bones. And cold wars don't necessarily stay cold forever.

Even without resource wars or terrorism breaking out, the loss of disposable income across the planet as food prices skyrocketed, even in the rich nations, could bring about another recession and/or depression in said rich nations. And once again, this has a tendency to create social and political tension, to the point of civil unrest, riots, and revolutions.

Food shortages won't drive humanity to extinction, but it stands a good shot at driving much of the civilized world back to a state of near-anarchy (think Somalia).

took them long enough niyad Dec 2013 #1
No doubt they were right for their time, and worth exploring again, but that's only half the story. Geoff R. Casavant Dec 2013 #2
Yup! ffr Dec 2013 #5
The question no one wants to answer BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #10
I'll answer it LouisvilleDem Dec 2013 #11
Nations are not isolated islands in a global economy NickB79 Dec 2013 #20
Exactly LouisvilleDem Dec 2013 #22
The only thing farming innovations and crop improvements have ever done truebluegreen Dec 2013 #13
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #3
The main problem however, is that it's hard work and... ffr Dec 2013 #4
I read a study which disagreed - that Asian traditional methods had the highest yield bhikkhu Dec 2013 #6
If that were true LouisvilleDem Dec 2013 #12
Real farmers don't, but mechanized corporations do--Better Living Through Chemistry! truebluegreen Dec 2013 #14
Source? LouisvilleDem Dec 2013 #24
You can't plant a 1000 acres of wheat or corn pscot Dec 2013 #15
It is true, but it is labor intensive bhikkhu Dec 2013 #16
I've seen no evidence of reduced yields LouisvilleDem Dec 2013 #23
That's not the claim at all bhikkhu Dec 2013 #25
Or - think of it in a different way and it makes more sense bhikkhu Dec 2013 #26
Sorry LouisvilleDem Dec 2013 #27
I suspect that you don't actually care at all, but here's a few anyway: bhikkhu Dec 2013 #29
Thank you LouisvilleDem Dec 2013 #34
You seriously can't follow a well reasoned argument without an outside reference? kristopher Dec 2013 #30
Sustainable agriculture is the future . . . Geoff R. Casavant Dec 2013 #7
Unless sustainable agriculture doesn't exist The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #9
If the only factor was pesticide use and species extinction, then that might be a good argument jeff47 Dec 2013 #8
Again, that's just not true bhikkhu Dec 2013 #17
You are talking about rice. One crop. jeff47 Dec 2013 #18
Bio-intensive, labor intensive agriculture produces 2-6 times the yield of industrial ag bhikkhu Dec 2013 #19
No, the papers do not say that. jeff47 Dec 2013 #21
You need to spend a summer on a working farm pscot Dec 2013 #28
Have you ever worked in the terraced paddies of China? kristopher Dec 2013 #31
I'm sure I'd remember if I had pscot Dec 2013 #32
How do you think the responses to bhikkhu's posts here kristopher Dec 2013 #33
There was some pushback pscot Dec 2013 #35
The dieting analogy is a good one kristopher Dec 2013 #36
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