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In reply to the discussion: NASCAR hits 5 million miles on 15% Ethanol blend, with 20% less emissions... [View all]Bill USA
(6,436 posts)47. you're out of your mind: "preserve fossil fuels"? the Oil industry is fanatically fighting ethanol..
They know ethanol represents a real threat to their business model of oligarchic price control and protected excessive profits. Over the past several years that ethanol has been supplying additional fuel, it has forced oil/gasoline prices down, costing Big Oil profits.
[font size="4"] Big Oil's Big Stall On Ethanol[/font]
(emphases my own)
Those who criticize the industry's stance see it as reminiscent of its attempts to discredit the theory that human use of fossil fuels has caused global warming. Mark N. Cooper, research director at the Consumer Federation of America, authored a recent paper characterizing the situation as "Big Oil's war on ethanol." The industry, he writes, "reacted aggressively against the expansion of ethanol production, suggesting that it perceives the growth of biofuels as an independent, competitive threat to its market power in refining and gasoline marketing."
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One prong in the oil industry's strategy is an anti-ethanol information campaign. In June the API released a study it commissioned from research firm Global Insight Inc. The report concludes that consumers will be "losers" in the runup to Congress' target of 35 billion gallons of biofuel by 2017 because, it forecasts, they'll pay $12 billion-plus a year more for food as corn prices rise to meet ethanol demand. The conclusions are far from universally accepted, but they have been picked up and promoted by anti-ethanol groups like the Coalition for Balanced Food & Fuel Policy, made up of the major beef, dairy, and poultry lobbies. Global Insight spokesman Jim Dorsey says the funding didn't influence the findings: "We don't have a dog in this hunt."
Academia plays a role as well. There is perhaps no one more hostile to ethanol than Tad W. Patzek, a geo-engineering professor at the University of California at Berkeley. A former Shell petroleum engineer, Patzek co-founded the UC Oil Consortium, which studies engineering methods for getting oil out of the ground. It counts BP (BP), Chevron USA, (CVX) Mobil USA, and Shell (RDS) among its funders. A widely cited 2005 paper by Patzek and Cornell University professor David Pimentel concluded that ethanol takes 29% more energy to produce than it suppliesthe most severe indictment of the biofuel. Michael Wang, vehicle and fuel-systems analyst at the Energy Dept.'s Argonne National Laboratory, says among several flaws in the study is the use of old data and the overestimation of corn farm energy use by 34%. Pimentel defends the study. In a recent update, he and Patzek hiked the estimate of ethanol's energy deficit to 43%.
more on Pimentel and Patzek's "study" in Farrell et al's meta analysis of several ethanol studies, published in the Journal Science, Jan 2006:
Ethanol Can Contribute to Energy and Environmental Goals - Science Jan 2006
http://fire.pppl.gov/ethanol_science_012706.pdf
(emphases my own)
To better understand the energy and environmental
implications of ethanol, we surveyed the
published and gray literature and present a
comparison of six studies illustrating the range
of assumptions and data found for the case
of corn-based (Zea mays, or maize) ethanol
(1116). To permit a direct and meaningful
comparison of the data and assumptions across
the studies, we developed the Energy and
Resources Group (ERG) Biofuel Analysis Meta-
Model (EBAMM) (10). For each study, we
compared data sources and methods and parameterized
EBAMM to replicate the published
net energy results to within half a percent. In
addition to net energy, we also calculated
metrics for greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions
and primary energy inputs (table S1 and Fig. 1).<p>
Two of the studies stand out from the others
because they report negative net energy values
and imply relatively high GHG emissions and
petroleum inputs ([font color="red"]11, 12[/font]). The close evaluation
required to replicate the net energy results showed
that these two studies also stand apart from the
others by [font color="red"]incorrectly assuming that ethanol
coproducts (materials inevitably generated when
ethanol is made, such as dried distiller grains with
solubles, corn gluten feed, and corn oil) should
not be credited with any of the input energy[/font] and
[font color="red"]by including some input data that are old and
unrepresentative of current processes, or so
poorly documented that their quality cannot be
evaluated (tables S2 and S3).
[div name="Farrellmeta" id="Farrellmeta" class="excerpt"]
References and notes:
[font color="red"]11. T. Patzek, Crit. Rev. Plant Sci. 23, 519 (2004).
12. D. Pimentel, T. Patzek, Nat. Resour. Res. 14, 65 (2005).[/font}
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NASCAR hits 5 million miles on 15% Ethanol blend, with 20% less emissions... [View all]
Bill USA
Feb 2014
OP
By "respected" I was referring to Sientific American, which is a respected journal
BlueStreak
Feb 2014
#12
Wind, Solar, and conservation. All are better than converting perfectly good food into carbon
BlueStreak
Feb 2014
#18
we are talking about the GHG emissions from the light transportation sector. Of course I am for all
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#19
you have not stated a technology and its GHG reduction numbers. I need estimated or recorded GHG
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#26
you haven't established that food has been taken out of the supply chain. Our farmers are producing
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#20
No it's not beside the point, unless you don't mind full blown AGW accelerating until we can't rein
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#21
crop support payments to corporate farms is as abominable as tax breaks for huge oil companies..but
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#28
"not nearly enough"?: 29 million Priuses needed to achieve Ethanol’s current GHG emissions reduction
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#30
How about a 67% GHG emissions reduction for ethanol. The ethanol enabled Direct Injection engine ..
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#31
California's love affair with Big Oil - letters from a Corporate Feudalist State.
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#13
You aren't going to get past 12-15% efficiency for internal combustion engines.
kristopher
Feb 2014
#22
Pleasegive timeframe for achieving this bioelectric transportation. You're running out of time.
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#27
The tank to wheels of ICE isn't going to get above about 18% and avg will be lower.
kristopher
Feb 2014
#29
James Hansen a huckster? Give timeframe for achieving bioelectric light transportation..# of years..
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#32
Give the number of years investing in dead end technologies that preserve fossil fuels...
kristopher
Feb 2014
#35
compared to hybrids and PHEVS? I computed 20 years for Priuses (i.e. hybrids) to equal Ethanol's GHG
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#42
you're out of your mind: "preserve fossil fuels"? the Oil industry is fanatically fighting ethanol..
Bill USA
Mar 2014
#47
alcohol fuel with turbocharging/supercharging has been shown to achieve 40% Brake thermal efficiency
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#34
What subsidy? The VEETC ended in 2011. You've drifted off again into your own private world of
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#37
29 million Priuses needed to achieve Ethanol’s current GHG reduction. Cost: $232 Billion
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#38
You are really in your own little world aren't you. Subsidies are not needed by ethanol. It's been
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#43
I'm pointing out GHG reductions now it will take 29 million hybrids to achieve maybe in 20 yrs.
Bill USA
Feb 2014
#44
Koplow talks about hypotheticals "under some ....proposals" whose possibilities evaporated in 2011
Bill USA
Mar 2014
#45
What polices are you advocating for - spell it out and quit playing silly games.
kristopher
Mar 2014
#46
again quoting from a 2009 article. the ethanol mandate does not 'cost' us anything,as oil ind says,
Bill USA
Mar 2014
#49
your linked article calculates subsidies for 2008 - 2022. Subsidies for corn ethanol ended 1/1/2012
Bill USA
Mar 2014
#51
I've been noticing a bunch of empty seats at NASAR tracks over the last few years.
unhappycamper
Feb 2014
#2